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Fwd: [xmca] Mandelshtam translation as intellectual tool

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From: Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] Mandelshtam translation as intellectual tool
To: ablunden@mira.net

I apologize Andy.. I am just finished with last year;s work and apparently
failed to include the key passage. could you please forward as i intended? I
am on family duty and away from email for next tHere's what I would really
like to have the original Russian for. It's from the same essay that
Mandelstam wrote about the broom that refuses to sweep and the pot that
won't cook. This time, Mandelstam is talking about the relationship of SOUND
to MEANING in the word.
  David asks for accurate translation of this"

p. 77: “It is most convenient and in the scientific sense most accurate to
regard the word as an image; that is, a verbal representation. In this way,
the question of form and content is removed; assuming the phonetics are the
form, everything else is the content. The problem of what is of primary
significance, the word or its sonic properties, is also removed. Verbal
representation is an intricate complex of phenomena, a connection, a
“system”. The signifying aspect of the word can be regarded as a candle
burning from inside a paper lantern; the sonic representation, the so-called
phonemes, can be placed inside the signifying aspect, like the very same
candle in the same lantern.”

Mandelshtam, O.E. (1977) Austin: University of Texas Press. Selected Essays.
(Translated by Sidney Monas.)
  wo weeks.

here is what i could find

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> there was no enclosure or attachment Mike
> Mike Cole wrote:
>> Dear Russian colleagues;
>> Some time ago, David Kellog asked for help on the Russian of the original
>> version of the following statement as translated in a book of his essays
>> in
>> Russian. The issues are of some importance for understanding Vygotsky,
>> which, as you know, is a difficult undertaking, not matter what language
>> you
>> speak. Could someone find us the original Russian?? And offer your
>> interpretation?
>>   amike
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