RE: [xmca] Vygotsky, Luria and Eisenshtein (a question)

From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari who-is-at>
Date: Thu Oct 30 2008 - 18:02:11 PDT

Oh, it's great, Mike...

Borges wrote a tale named "Funes..." recreating something of Shereshevsky... you know. So
seems that there is very artistic features in real human psychic experience. About "generalized
image" I will see... Is this concept at "Iazik i soznanie"? We have a Portuguese version. I have
read many years ago. I don't remember if I knew this concept , even in another book. It
occurs to me, right now, to search immediately something about what system of acting was
used by Eisenstein's actors, if we can find any relation with Stanislavsky's system of creative
actor's work... studied by Vygotsky discussed in the text from 1932 (publish in Collected Woks,
vol. 6 - prologue by Dot Robbins), and so important in 1934 (thought and word) with the
notion of "subtext"... If you tell us about psychological studies about audience, and the feelings
and understanding of audience, the way that film is constructed and actor plays their roles
must be interesting to study too. After all, all we must to act... (as "akt", and as "postuk").
I had think about the other way of mutual influences in dialog psychology-movie too: what we
can learn from movie semiotics? And/or what about Eisenstein can teach something to historical-
cultural approach? For instance, the notion of "non-indifferent nature"... I'm thinking by complex,
like ever I do. But now, it's the only way I can think. And these are all links that I can put in the
chain until now. And we even need a thesis and the young guy/girl with it in mind - I hope this
person can will arise soon in this context...

I will see something about Eisenshtein and Stanislavsky, right now.
What do you think? It can be useful?

Thank very much, for all your contributions since before, since many years ago.



> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:10:46 -0700
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky, Luria and Eisenshtein (a question)
> Excellent question. Lets see what we can find out.
> There are references in Eisenshtein's published work about his activities
> with
> Shereshevsky, the mnemonist. And there is, I believe, a close relation
> between the idea of "generalized image" in Luria and Eisenshtein's notion of
> montage.
> All we need is a bright young person with a thesis in mind and a ghost of
> chance
> of getting it done in this context.
> mike
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
>> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings for all.
> >
> > One more extemporaneous question.
> >
> > If I'm not misremembering, in "Making mind", Mike Cole exposes some very
> > interesting data about Luria and Vygotsky's works with the audience of
> > Eisenshtein's movies, didn't he expose? Puzirey, I remember well, has said
> > something about Eisenshtein's reading of "Psychology of Art", in the files
> > of Eisenshtein's personal library was founded an exemplar of the book, in
> > which at several places are underlined the words "contend and form"... a
> > basis for his own work has filmmaker. But, what more we can know about those
> > works with audience? Everything was loosed with War? Is there no follower or
> > co-worker that have dedicate even a single book or paper about these
> > researchs? I Have thinking about these questions since 1991-1994 when I had
> > read the fragments that I quote here, and only now I can ask for you. It's
> > not my main subject now, but I'm concerning with it in a personal way, and
> > why not to ask for? Somebody can give me some help?
> >
> > Thank you very much for your attention and help.
> > Achilles.
> >
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