Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics [image] of disease" (Roman Luria)

Some people in Russia are using this term: "internal image of health" in the
context of rather new trend of research- valeology, but I do not know if
there is anything translated.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:22 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Interesting, Bella,
> I already was preferring "imagem" in Portuguese too,
> despite the translation of Asmolov's "Vygostky today:
> on the verge of non-classical psychology" had wrote
> "internal picture of disease" (Asmolov, 1988, p. 52)...
> And about "internal image of health"? What do you
> indicate to us?
>
> Thank you, very much, for your attention and help.
> Achilles.
>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:54:11 +0200
> > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics [image] of disease" (Roman Luria)
> >
> > You are right, Achilles, both image and picture are possible translations
> of
> > "kartina", but I think image is more relevant;
> > As to dynamics- it depends of the context.
> > BKF
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Bella,
> > > Тhank you very much... I will search for the book and papers quoting
> it.
> > > "Vnutrennyaya kartyna bolezny"... Can we translate "kartyna" as "image"
> or
> > > "picture" too?
> > > I liked "dynamics", because includes movement of this "kartyna"... but
> do
> > > you think to be
> > > the best option? Thank you for all.
> > > Achilles.
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:05:32 +0200
> > > > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud
> > > Zeignarnik)
> > > >
> > > > *Лурия P. А*. Внутренняя картина болезни и патогенные заболевания.
> М.,
> > > 1944.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do not have any information about it's availiability. I made an
> effort
> > > via
> > > > google.ru but could not find. May be in Moscow it would be possible
> to
> > > find,
> > > > but I am in Jerusalem now.
> > > > Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> > > > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, Bella,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was thinking that "R.A" was a typographic mistake... Mistake of
> mine.
> > > > > But, can you tell me the work quoted by Zeigarnik, and say
> something
> > > > > about it's availability? And, about this reference:
> > > > >
> > > > > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic
> > > diseases.Moscow,
> > > > > 1944.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's realy from Alexander Romanovich? There is means to obtain it?
> Can
> > > you
> > > > > help
> > > > > me, telling me the Russian title?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your patience and help.
> > > > > Achilles.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:56:11 +0200
> > > > > > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud
> > > > > Zeignarnik)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roman Albertovich Luria was the father of Alexander Romanovich
> Luria.
> > > It
> > > > > > was R.A. Who R. A. Luria introduced the concept of "internal
> dynamics
> > > of
> > > > > > disease," but it is often mistakenly cited (both in English and
> in
> > > > > Russian)
> > > > > > as belonging to his famous son.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:28 AM, delari <delari@uol.com.br> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings for all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please, can you give me a little help with a Luria's book?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bluma V. Zeigarnik quotes Luria's concept of "internal dynamics
> of
> > > > > disease"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The well-known Soviet therapist R. A. Luriya introduced the
> > > concept of
> > > > > > > "internal dynamics of disease," by which he means "all that
> which
> > > the
> > > > > > > patient experiences and feels, the entire aggregate of his
> > > sensations,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > only local sensations due to his illness but also his general
> > > feeling
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > himself, his self-observation, how he represents his illness to
> > > himself
> > > > > > > (Withrespect to its causes), all that which is linked with
> > > approaching
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > physician - that entire internal world of the patient, which
> > > consists
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > very complex combinations of perceptions and sensations,
> emotions,
> > > > > affects,
> > > > > > > conflicts, mental feelings, and trauma." He indicated that the
> > > behavior
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > mental processes of the individual are changed at the very
> moment
> > > when
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > learns about his illness."(ZEIGARNIK, 1972, P.133)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ZEIGARNIK, B. V. Experimental Abnormal psychology [In fact:
> > > "Vvedenie v
> > > > > > > patopsikhologiyu" = "Introduction to Pathopsychology"]. Chapter
> 6 -
> > > > > > > Personality disturbances in the mentally ill. New York, London:
> > > Plenum
> > > > > > > Press. 1972. p. 109-136. [I attached a copy of the chapter]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She don´t give the date of the quotation, there are 8 titles by
> > > Luria
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > her bibliography. And I believe that the quoted about "internal
> > > > > dynamics of
> > > > > > > disease" must be this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic
> > > diseases.
> > > > > > > Moscow, 1944.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there any means to legally obtain a payed or free copy from
> this
> > > > > book,
> > > > > > > even most probably in Russian?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you help me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you, very much, for your attention and patience.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Achilles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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