RE: [xmca] "Internal dynamics [image] of disease" (Roman Luria)

Interesting, Bella,
I already was preferring "imagem" in Portuguese too,
despite the translation of Asmolov's "Vygostky today:
on the verge of non-classical psychology" had wrote
"internal picture of disease" (Asmolov, 1988, p. 52)...
And about "internal image of health"? What do you
indicate to us?

Thank you, very much, for your attention and help.
Achilles.

> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:54:11 +0200
> From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics [image] of disease" (Roman Luria)
>
> You are right, Achilles, both image and picture are possible translations of
> "kartina", but I think image is more relevant;
> As to dynamics- it depends of the context.
> BKF
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Bella,
> > Тhank you very much... I will search for the book and papers quoting it.
> > "Vnutrennyaya kartyna bolezny"... Can we translate "kartyna" as "image" or
> > "picture" too?
> > I liked "dynamics", because includes movement of this "kartyna"... but do
> > you think to be
> > the best option? Thank you for all.
> > Achilles.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:05:32 +0200
> > > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud
> > Zeignarnik)
> > >
> > > *Лурия P. А*. Внутренняя картина болезни и патогенные заболевания. М.,
> > 1944.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not have any information about it's availiability. I made an effort
> > via
> > > google.ru but could not find. May be in Moscow it would be possible to
> > find,
> > > but I am in Jerusalem now.
> > > Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> > > achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you, Bella,
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking that "R.A" was a typographic mistake... Mistake of mine.
> > > > But, can you tell me the work quoted by Zeigarnik, and say something
> > > > about it's availability? And, about this reference:
> > > >
> > > > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic
> > diseases.Moscow,
> > > > 1944.
> > > >
> > > > It's realy from Alexander Romanovich? There is means to obtain it? Can
> > you
> > > > help
> > > > me, telling me the Russian title?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your patience and help.
> > > > Achilles.
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:56:11 +0200
> > > > > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud
> > > > Zeignarnik)
> > > > >
> > > > > Roman Albertovich Luria was the father of Alexander Romanovich Luria.
> > It
> > > > > was R.A. Who R. A. Luria introduced the concept of "internal dynamics
> > of
> > > > > disease," but it is often mistakenly cited (both in English and in
> > > > Russian)
> > > > > as belonging to his famous son.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:28 AM, delari <delari@uol.com.br> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings for all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, can you give me a little help with a Luria's book?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bluma V. Zeigarnik quotes Luria's concept of "internal dynamics of
> > > > disease"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The well-known Soviet therapist R. A. Luriya introduced the
> > concept of
> > > > > > "internal dynamics of disease," by which he means "all that which
> > the
> > > > > > patient experiences and feels, the entire aggregate of his
> > sensations,
> > > > not
> > > > > > only local sensations due to his illness but also his general
> > feeling
> > > > about
> > > > > > himself, his self-observation, how he represents his illness to
> > himself
> > > > > > (Withrespect to its causes), all that which is linked with
> > approaching
> > > > a
> > > > > > physician - that entire internal world of the patient, which
> > consists
> > > > of
> > > > > > very complex combinations of perceptions and sensations, emotions,
> > > > affects,
> > > > > > conflicts, mental feelings, and trauma." He indicated that the
> > behavior
> > > > and
> > > > > > mental processes of the individual are changed at the very moment
> > when
> > > > he
> > > > > > learns about his illness."(ZEIGARNIK, 1972, P.133)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ZEIGARNIK, B. V. Experimental Abnormal psychology [In fact:
> > "Vvedenie v
> > > > > > patopsikhologiyu" = "Introduction to Pathopsychology"]. Chapter 6 -
> > > > > > Personality disturbances in the mentally ill. New York, London:
> > Plenum
> > > > > > Press. 1972. p. 109-136. [I attached a copy of the chapter]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She don´t give the date of the quotation, there are 8 titles by
> > Luria
> > > > at
> > > > > > her bibliography. And I believe that the quoted about "internal
> > > > dynamics of
> > > > > > disease" must be this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic
> > diseases.
> > > > > > Moscow, 1944.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any means to legally obtain a payed or free copy from this
> > > > book,
> > > > > > even most probably in Russian?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you help me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you, very much, for your attention and patience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Achilles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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