RE: [xmca] "Internal dynamics [image] of disease" (Roman Luria)

Bella,
Тhank you very much... I will search for the book and papers quoting it.
"Vnutrennyaya kartyna bolezny"... Can we translate "kartyna" as "image" or "picture" too?
I liked "dynamics", because includes movement of this "kartyna"... but do you think to be
the best option? Thank you for all.
Achilles.

> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:05:32 +0200
> From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud Zeignarnik)
>
> *Лурия P. А*. Внутренняя картина болезни и патогенные заболевания. М., 1944.
>
>
> I do not have any information about it's availiability. I made an effort via
> google.ru but could not find. May be in Moscow it would be possible to find,
> but I am in Jerusalem now.
> Bella Kotik-Friedgut
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thank you, Bella,
> >
> > I was thinking that "R.A" was a typographic mistake... Mistake of mine.
> > But, can you tell me the work quoted by Zeigarnik, and say something
> > about it's availability? And, about this reference:
> >
> > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic diseases.Moscow,
> > 1944.
> >
> > It's realy from Alexander Romanovich? There is means to obtain it? Can you
> > help
> > me, telling me the Russian title?
> >
> > Thank you for your patience and help.
> > Achilles.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:56:11 +0200
> > > From: bella.kotik@gmail.com
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] "Internal dynamics of disease" (Luria apud
> > Zeignarnik)
> > >
> > > Roman Albertovich Luria was the father of Alexander Romanovich Luria. It
> > > was R.A. Who R. A. Luria introduced the concept of "internal dynamics of
> > > disease," but it is often mistakenly cited (both in English and in
> > Russian)
> > > as belonging to his famous son.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:28 AM, delari <delari@uol.com.br> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greetings for all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please, can you give me a little help with a Luria's book?
> > > >
> > > > Bluma V. Zeigarnik quotes Luria's concept of "internal dynamics of
> > disease"
> > > >
> > > > "The well-known Soviet therapist R. A. Luriya introduced the concept of
> > > > "internal dynamics of disease," by which he means "all that which the
> > > > patient experiences and feels, the entire aggregate of his sensations,
> > not
> > > > only local sensations due to his illness but also his general feeling
> > about
> > > > himself, his self-observation, how he represents his illness to himself
> > > > (Withrespect to its causes), all that which is linked with approaching
> > a
> > > > physician - that entire internal world of the patient, which consists
> > of
> > > > very complex combinations of perceptions and sensations, emotions,
> > affects,
> > > > conflicts, mental feelings, and trauma." He indicated that the behavior
> > and
> > > > mental processes of the individual are changed at the very moment when
> > he
> > > > learns about his illness."(ZEIGARNIK, 1972, P.133)
> > > >
> > > > ZEIGARNIK, B. V. Experimental Abnormal psychology [In fact: "Vvedenie v
> > > > patopsikhologiyu" = "Introduction to Pathopsychology"]. Chapter 6 -
> > > > Personality disturbances in the mentally ill. New York, London: Plenum
> > > > Press. 1972. p. 109-136. [I attached a copy of the chapter]
> > > >
> > > > She don´t give the date of the quotation, there are 8 titles by Luria
> > at
> > > > her bibliography. And I believe that the quoted about "internal
> > dynamics of
> > > > disease" must be this:
> > > >
> > > > LURIA, A.R. Internal description of illness and pathogenic diseases.
> > > > Moscow, 1944.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any means to legally obtain a payed or free copy from this
> > book,
> > > > even most probably in Russian?
> > > >
> > > > Can you help me?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you, very much, for your attention and patience.
> > > >
> > > > Achilles.
> > > >
> > > >
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