[xmca] Re: the Strange Situation

From: Martin Packer <packer who-is-at duq.edu>
Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 - 07:52:38 PDT

Sorry Andy, I'm still not getting this. Development is objective, but it's
not progress unless one has an objective notion of progress? My dictionary
tells me that progress is "forward or onward movement toward a destination,
or advance or development toward a better, more complete, or more modern
condition." What would be a notion of progress that doesn't involve a value


Apologies Martin, for the loose and unexplained usage of the
word "objective", by which I just meant that no value
judgment is required. And of course, if you have an (in that
sense) objective notion of progress, then OK. But I mean
there is no need to believe that "progress" means getting
better or stronger or more advanced or fit or anything such
thing. I think in the almost forgotten context of this
discussion we were talking about the socialisation of an
individual organism within its genus. That's all.


Martin Packer wrote:
> Andy,
> Help me with this, please. Do you mean objective as opposed to subjective,
> personal evaluative judgment? I think I can by that. By why does an
> objective development not connote progress or improvement? Could these not
> be objective processes too?
> Martin
> On 10/23/08 7:28 PM, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>> "The very terms 'development' and 'learning' are normative":
>> yes these terms are 'normative' but in an objective sense of
>> the word 'normative' in that they refer to a process between
>> a universal (or genus, community) and an individual. This
>> may be quite 'objective'. There is no need for any
>> connotation of 'progress', or "getting better", etc.
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