Re: [xmca] RE: mental health

Three votes for psychotechnics. The relation to practive might be meant to
be equivalent to applied psychology but it would be
nice if a a theory and practice methodology were being signaled. :-)
mike

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I would suggest
> - French "psychotechnique" or "Psychologie Appliquée"
> - Spanish "Psicotecnia " or "La psicología aplicada"
> - English "Psychotechnics" or "Applied Psychology"
>
>
> Sources:
> 1) http://community.livejournal.com/psyhistorik/15502.html
> 2)
> http://fs-morente.filos.ucm.es/docentes/carpintero/Iaaphist/IAAPhist.htm
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [xmca] RE: mental health
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Received: Friday, July 11, 2008, 2:13 AM
> > Mike,
> >
> > Only one more little question:
> >
> > The Russian word in Puzirei's "note 24" is
> > "психотехника" (psykhotekhnika) =
> > maybe "psychotechnics", not
> > "psychotechnology".
> > Do you agree?
> >
> > ("psychotechnology seems more "rough".
> > Recently there was here a discussion about the problem of
> > Vygostsky's potential
> > and/or actual project of "social engeneering" x
> > "enpowerment" in order to human kind
> > (self)produce "better man"...
> > {but, tekhné(Greek) = art (?)})
> >
> > And, in the Russian version that I have, there is not this
> > interesting word "psychopraxis" that appears in
> > English translation,
> > but only "psykhotekhnika" again in the
> > Vygotsky's text quoted by Puzirei. In my Spanish
> > version, translated has "psicotecnia"...
> > (Vygotski, Obras Escogidas. Tomo 1. Ed. Amelia Alvarez y
> > Pablo del Rio, Madrid 1991 - p. 358)... In Portuguese:
> > "psicotecnia"
> > too, but... translated from the same Spanish, without more
> > explanations... "psychopraxis"...
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Achilles,
> > Umuarama, July 11, 2008.
> >
> >
> > From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:37:50 +0000
> > Subject: [xmca] RE: mental health
> >
> >
> > Ok, Mike.
> >
> > See: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Paper/Vygotsky1986b.pdf
> > Vygotsky, LS (1929/1989). Concrete human psychology. Soviet
> > Psychology, 27, (2), 53–77
> > Russian text @ 1986 by Moscow University. Vestn. Mask.
> > Un-ta. Ser. 14, Psikhologiya, 1986, No. 1, pp. 51-64.
> > (Notes by Andrei Puzirey)
> >
> > Complete Puzirey's notes I've partially quoted before:
> >
> > [Methodology of psychotechnology (and/or psychopraxis)]
> > 24. In his work [The historical meaning of the crisis in
> > psychology], ([Collected
> > work]. Vol. 1, pp. 289 ff.), indiscussing the ideaof
> > 'general psychology.'
> > which he understood as the 'methodology of
> > psychotechnology' (in the
> > broad sense) or 'a philosophy of practice,'
> > Vygotsky formulated one of the
> > most fundamental characteristics of such a psychology: its
> > orientation toward
> > psychotechnology in the broad sense of the word, i.e., the
> > techniques of practical
> > work with the mind, its transformation, control over it,
> > and its develop
> > ment. Vygotsky writes, 'The goal of such a psychology
> > is not Shakespearean
> > concepts, as Dilthey says, but psychopraxis. i.e., a
> > scientific theory that would
> > result in subordination and mastery over the mind, in the
> > artificial control of
> > behavior.'
> > (Puzirey, p. 75)
> >
> > [Person and illness]
> > 26. This idea, which is found repeatedly in this text of
> > Vygotsky's, can also
> > be found in many contemporary psychologists and
> > psychotherapists of the post-
> > Freudian school, for example, representatives of the
> > 'humanist' school,
> > which attaches fundamental importance to it. However, this
> > idea can also be
> > found, perhaps in its clearest and most concise form, in
> > the works of Thomas
> > Mann. Thus, in the preface to the American one-volume
> > edition on Dostoevsky
> > (see T. Mann, [Collected works], Vol. 10). where he
> > discusses to what extent
> > the fact that Dostoevsky was apparently mentally ill (an
> > epileptic) left its mark
> > on his literary production, Mann insists that is not, and
> > cannot be, a direct and
> > unambiguous causal relationship between the nosological
> > characteristics of a
> > disease (even in the case of a mental disorder) and a
> > person's personality traits
> > and the general line of his mental development. It is
> > important to know,
> > according to Mann's basic idea, not what illness a
> > person has, but what person
> > has a particular illness. Similar thoughts can be found in
> > Vygotsky's earlier
> > works, particularly in those devoted to an analysis of the
> > problem of character.
> > See for example, the work from 1928 [The problem of the
> > dynamics of child
> > character], [Collected works]. Vol. 5, pp. 153, 165, and
> > elsewhere. See also
> > the postulate that it is not possible to determine
> > unambiguously the development
> > Of the Personality in terms of individual properties in
> > Leont'ev's later works
> > for example, [Activity Consciousness. Personality]. Moscow,
> > 1975. P. 177
> > and others).
> > (Puzirey, p. 76)
> >
> > Thank you, very much.
> >
> > Achilles.
> > Umuarama, 10 July, 2008.
> >
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:43:13 -0700From:
> > lchcmike@gmail.comTo: achilles_delari@hotmail.comSubject:
> > mental health
> >
> > I am sorry not to respond quickly to your interesting
> > recent posts,. Achilles. I will do so as soon as I can.Did
> > you provide English reference for Puzerei? Very few members
> > of xmca read Russian.mike
> >
> >
> >
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