Re: [xmca] ego, self, etc.

Yes. :) It was me who commissioned that article from Chris, so I can't
disagree with you!
In the 1844 manuscripts
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/hegel.htm Marx
described the PhG as "the true point of origin and the secret of the
Hegelian philosophy", and it is clear in the several pages about the PhG
here that he is thoroughly familiar with it, as would any Young Hegelian of
that time, in Germany. But it is another question when we look at
everything Marx wrote after that, and ask ourselves how much of that he
owes to the PhG. Everyone says that Hegel can only be taken as a whole, not
in bits, so perhaps my claim is empty. But this is so much in contrast with
French post-WW2 philosophy and the Frankfurters, for whom one would think
that Hegel had written nothing else.

Andy

At 09:44 PM 4/02/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>This seems to suggest that Marx knew the Phenomenology well, even if the
>influence of the master-slave section is not established:
>
><http://marxmyths.org/chris-arthur/article.htm>
>
>Martin
>
>On 2/4/08 4:41 PM, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows about the reception of
> > Hegel in Russia.
> >
> > In English, you will not find The Phenomenology of Spirit taken seriously
> > or the Master-Slave dialectic more than mentioned until after the French
> > have gone crazy over it after WW2; the French only get enthusiastic over
> > the master-slave as a result of Hypollite's new translation in the 1930s,
> > having previously only had access to very poor translations of Hegel's
> > Logic. Marx emphasises the importance of the Phenomenology in his 1844
> > manuscripts but I see no evidence that he paid much attention to it later
> > or in fact that he ever read the master-slave section. The Hegel that is
> > most apparent in Marx is Hegel's early work (though I don't know if Marx
> > could have read it, it may be a case of "great minds think alike") and
> > Hegel's work on history and law, etc. and the Logic.
> >
> > It is very easy to forget, given the prominence that the French gave to the
> > Master-Slave dialectic, that so far as I know, no-one paid much attention
> > to it before 1937. But maybe it was different in Russia? Plekhanov will be
> > the one. I'm just reading LSV's Psychology of Art at the moment, and he
> > quotes "Plekhanov" on Art in what is virtually a quotation from Hegel's
> > Lectures on Aesthetics. Lenin certainly never read the Phenomenology.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > At 03:37 PM 4/02/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Yes, each step in the education of consciousness can only be
> accomplished in
> >> relation with others, and/or in societal institutions. The master/slave
> >> dialectic has certainly been one of the most influential of Hegel's
> >> contributions, and I'm sure Bourdieu had it in mind.
> >>
> >> I'm especially partial to those analyses of this part of Hegel's
> >> phenomenology that view it not simply as the stage where a person becomes
> >> self-aware, but the stage where something we can call a self is *created*
> >> for the first time.
> >>
> >> What influence do you think this had on Vygotsky? His 'Educational
> >> Psychology' contains much reference to the importance of interpersonal
> >> conflict in development. Elsewhere too?
> >>
> >> I've explored this somewhat in a paper: Packer, M. J., & Goicoechea, J.
> >> (2000). Sociocultural and constructivist theories of learning:
> Ontology, not
> >> just epistemology. Educational Psychologist, 35(4), 227-241.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On 2/2/08 11:47 PM, "Paul Dillon" <phd_crit_think@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> But I have a problem with your interpretation of the passage from sense
> >>> certainty to more developed forms of consciousness. As I read what
> >> you've
> >>> written, the dimension of violence in the process is totally absent.
> >>> Violence plays a very important role in Hegel's dialectic and at two
> >> totally
> >>> crucial points of transition: the first being that of the Master-Slave
> >>> dialectic, in which the problem of solipsism is resolved through the
> >>> subordination of one "self-consciousness" to another.
> >>
> >>
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