Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

Elina-- Maybe we have more than one article here? I think a summary of the
materials in the first paragraph of your would make a fantastic contribution
to the journal and all of us.
But you can and should do that yourself of with Galina or.....

All of the topics 1-3 you list seem plausible to me. And maybe there are 3
different articles with different mixes of authors there?
mike

On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree, there should
> be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and development
> as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
> publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory ( See
> Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning Activity. *Journal
> of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina tsukerman has a
> fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching and
> learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact translation of this
> book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book " Types of
> generalizations in teaching and learning"
>
> In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
> addressing the claim of direct transfer of the abilities developed in the
> course of quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other spheres of life
> including moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social
> development, etc. We had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin, Galina
> Tsukerman and others on this issue and there were numerous observations that
> children educated in the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum) were active
> learners, questioning the status quo, capable to work collaboratively,
> comfortable with uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the unknown areas of
> study, quite comfortably ascending from abstract to concrete...:-) Daniil
> Elkonin in his scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation' developed
> in the course of becoming a subject of leading activity transforms the
> system of relationships among previously internalized 'neoformations', and
> such transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of theoretical
> thinking during the learning activity thansforms the
> previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific studies
> addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
>
> Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of learning
> here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore development/learning;
>
> 1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and meanings in
> development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
> development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's inspired
> teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New York, Moscow,
> ...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
>
> 2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long learning. ( i
> was excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
> depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
> reflection on the side)
>
> 3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/critical
> analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and learning (
> CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
>
> 4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new forms of
> co-being and their impact on the course of learning and development...
>
> 5. other?
>
> These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or
> discard if they are out of the context of your thinking...
> Elina
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
> > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
> >
> > YES, we all need to know about it.
> > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its claims is
> > kind of
> > odd to
> > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
> >
> > BUT
> >
> > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been devoted to
> > VVD,
> > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of Jean
> > Shmittau?
> > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of signs?
> > mike
> >
> > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
> > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
> > > ~ Em
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > ] On
> > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > >
> > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the discussion
> > > with
> > > my question!
> > > Elina
> > >
> > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that discussion? I've
> > been
> > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
> > > > ~ Em
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emily Duvall
> > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
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> > > >
> > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by
> > > storm.
> > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > ]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
> > > > To: David Preiss
> > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > > >
> > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective article
> > > idea.
> > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development
> > between
> > > > San
> > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
> > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to start to
> > > > connect.
> > > >
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss < davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What might be
> > the
> > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David Preiss
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not as well
> > read
> > > as
> > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
> > > assistance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
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> Elina Lampert-Shepel
> Assistant Professor
> Graduate School of Education
> Mercy College New Teacher Residency Program
> Mercy College
> 66 West 35th Street
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 615 3367
>
> I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end of
> it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
> violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
> fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
> is free to be a violin string.
> Sir Rabindranath Tagore.
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