Re: [xmca] on self and identity - a request

From: Mike Cole <lchcmike who-is-at>
Date: Sun Nov 25 2007 - 13:31:27 PST

Hi Susan-- Thanks for helping me to understand how to connect Cain's
statement to social epistemology.
Serendipitously, I am reading a paper by Jenson, de Castell, & Bryson
entitled "Girl Talk": Gender, equity, and identity discourses in a
school-based computer culture" It can be found at

I think this paper may be directly helpful. It is about an intervention
study exploring the ways in which gender is discursively constructed in
order to
create conditions for discursive re-negotiating gender roles. This is not
your explicit topic, but the paper has several examples that may be of
in addition to its overall perspective.

I hope Martin comes in out of the cold, as Tony suggested, in order to help
us along with this discussion.
I am remembering that a little while back we were focused on the historical
particularity of concerns with identity
in relationship to the idea of personality as used in the Russian CHAT
tradition. In coming to know better more
recent, Anglophone, work on identity which (again my memory may be deceiving
me!) does not employ the term
personality as a key conceptual tool, I personally hope we do not lose that
earlier set of questions.

On Nov 25, 2007 1:17 PM, Aachey Susan Jurow <>

> I've been reading the last few exchanges on Lave & Wenger and Wenger with
> great interest. Mike's comment on how Cain's statement about the way "a
> person understands and views himself" and how this fits with the
> epistemological position that L&W put forth made me think of the puzzle that
> I'm facing in a project on school leaders' experiences in a "Courage to
> Lead" retreat series. Briefly, the Courage to Lead retreats are inspired by
> the work of Parker Palmer (the author of the book "The courage to teach" and
> many others that are pretty popular) and are designed to help educators
> reconnect with their sense of true self.
> In an attempt to avoid getting caught in the debate about whether there is
> such a thing as a true self or whether the self is completely a constructed
> notion, I'm looking at the discursive resources that are made available
> during the retreats (talk, activities, artifacts) for talking about (and
> possibly experiencing?) an inner self. (This is one way that I read Cain
> fitting with L&W's social epistemology.) This is a lot of background -- my
> question is this:
> Does anyone know of ethnographic studies of the construction of/experience
> of self that might help me understand how talk (in particular) mediates a
> particular view of an inner self?
> Thanks for your help with this.
> Susan
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