Re: [xmca] Streamed Discussion of Development in CHAT theory

From: David Kellogg <vaughndogblack who-is-at>
Date: Thu Nov 15 2007 - 14:53:35 PST

Dear Paul:
  No offense intended. I was trying, in my clumsy way, to get back to discussing the video. I didn't mean to ignore what you said, all of which I found interesting but not all of which I understood.
  I am now even more confused than ever, I'm afraid. It seems to me that the issue of silence playing a role in the construction of a piece of music IS actually relevant to Halliday's remark about Nigel's fourteen-day-old communicative act. (I even think it's relevant to the more recent talk about the role of noise in Glenn Gould!) So I really can't see that I am off topic.
  But it may well be that the choice of topic is a battle of wills, a little like the choice of subject line. To return (somewhat selfishly) to MY chosen subject line, I was puzzled last night (watching the video for the fourth time) by Penti's remark that play is concerned with SENSE making rather than MEANING making.
  Of course I know what he is referring to: it is the distinction between "sense" and "meaning" based on Paulhan that LSV takes up at the end of "Thinking and Speech". But I never really figured out what LSV was referring to, since Paulhan himself doesn't take this distinction seriously.
  Assuming that LSV means what Paulhan says, "sense making" would be PRAGMATIC, POLYSEMIC and PERSONAL while "meaning making" is SEMANTIC, CONCEPTUAL and SOCIAL. On what grounds does Pentti think that the latter is "realistic" whle the former is not? That goes against what I think about play (and also against what Vygotsky writes in Chapter Seven of Mind in Society and elsewhere).
  Speaking of which, is there any word on the "Play" special issue of MCA? I haven't had any acknowledgment of our submission yet, and in fact I have no word at all from MCA (except a whopping bill for 530 dollars for my 2008 subscription! Apparently Taylor and Francis think I am an institution. Being institutionalized would be cheaper....)
  David Kellogg
  Seoul National University of Education

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