It might affect us phylogenetically in that those who are best suited (by
position or biology) to accrue and master the new knowledge will thrive -
be selected - at the expense of those who are not. The traits (related or
incidental - skin color, for example - native Americans might agree) carried
by those who live to reproduce will be the ones carried forward. Of course
this is all confounded by the curious fact that today the most successful
humans reproduce at a much lower rate than average... but then their
survival rate is higher. too complicated for this early in the am.
deb
On 1/12/07, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> The question may be whether or not we survive at all phylogenetically, let
> alone be "affected".
> Andy
> At 09:15 AM 13/01/2007 +0200, you wrote:
> >In the short-term we are accruing or constructing knowledge at an ever
> >greater rate, so semiotic mediation is more important than ever, but over
> >time I don't yet see how this will affect us phylogenetically.
> >
> >Carol
> >
> >PS Unless babies start coming down the birth canal with built
> in (organic)
> >play stations. :-))
> >
> >
> >On 1/12/07, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org <ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>SungWon, Mike and others:
> >>
> >>Phylogeny has not stopped, we are still evolving as a species; for
> better
> >>or worse we have not stopped evolving. Am I wrong in stating that
> >>semiotic
> >>mediation is the process structure of the cultural/historical
> >><->ontogeny/phylogeny dialectic?
> >>
> >>eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Cole"
> >> <lchcmike who-is-at gmail. To: "eXtended Mind,
> >>Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >> com> cc:
> >> Sent by: Subject: Re: correction
> RE:
> >>[xmca] Reference for ontological and
> >> xmca-bounces who-is-at web
> >>phylogeneticlanguagecomparison
> >> er.ucsd.edu
> >>
> >>
> >> 01/11/2007 07:57
> >> PM
> >> Please respond
> >> to mcole; Please
> >> respond to
> >> "eXtended Mind,
> >> Culture,
> >> Activity"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Folks, you are confusing me.
> >>Phylogeny is the history of human life of which human phylogeny is one
> >>tiny
> >>branch.
> >>During phylogeny a new form of life slowly and unevening occurred in
> which
> >>achievements of
> >>prior generations began to modify the biology/behavior/psychology/social
> >>life of creatures that
> >>evenuate, along one branch in homo sapiens.
> >>
> >>To say that phylogenetic evolution is a cultural historical
> proces////////
> >>is either simply a confusion
> >>or it implicitly marks that last millisecond of evolution when homo
> >>sapiens
> >>and homo sapiens sapiens
> >>emerged.
> >>
> >>My two tsarist kopeks
> >>mike
> >>
> >>On 1/11/07, SungWon Hwang <swhwang@uvic.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Eric,
> >> > I think it would better to see phylogenetic evolution as a
> >> > cultural-historical process mediated by object-oriented human
> >>activities.
> >> > Culturally historically new forms of activity emerge in and through
> >> > individual actions that concretely realize cultural possibilities and
> >> > achieve collective motives.
> >> > SungWon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> >> > > On Behalf Of ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org
> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:49 AM
> >> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> > > Subject: Re: correction RE: [xmca] Reference for ontological and
> >> > > phylogeneticlanguagecomparison
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Michael and Tony:
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for the useful information. What cultural influences
> would
> >> > > produce the phylogentic development?
> >> > >
> >> > > eric
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Tony Whitson
> >> > > <twhitson who-is-at UDel.E To: "'eXtended
> >>Mind,
> >> > > Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >> > > du> cc: Mike Cole
> >> > > <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >> > > Sent by: Subject: correction
> RE:
> >> > [xmca]
> >> > > Reference for ontological and phylogenetic
> >> > > xmca-bounces who-is-at web languagecomparison
> >> > > er.ucsd.edu
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 01/11/2007 09:39
> >> > > AM
> >> > > Please respond
> >> > > to "eXtended
> >> > > Mind, Culture,
> >> > > Activity"
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I inserted "phylogenic" in the wrong place before. It's fixed
> below.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Tony Whitson wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > What a nice, useful analogy Michael.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm thinking about how to make it more precisely parallel. The
> >> > > (ontogenic)
> >> > > > development of language ability in the child could be compared
> with
> >> > the
> >> > > > (ontogenic) development of a player's football skills (I'm
> thinking
> >> > > > basketball might work better, since -- at least in US "gridiron"
> >> > football
> >> > > --
> >> > > > most players on the field have specialized roles not requiring as
> >> > great
> >> > a
> >> > > > range of versatile skills as in basketball [IMHO: a defensive
> left
> >> > guard
> >> > > > might think otherwise]). So, the development of a [basketball]
> >> > player's
> >> > > > skills would not recapitulate the (phylogenic) development of the
> >>game
> >> > > itself. Skills
> >> > > > that might have had value in the game as it was played in the
> early
> >> > > history
> >> > > > of the game might have no value for players today, and would not
> be
> >> > part
> >> > > of
> >> > > > a developmental stage that today's players go through on their
> way
> >>to
> >> > > > development of skills they use today.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>[mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> >> > > On
> >> > > > Behalf Of Wolff-Michael Roth
> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:22 AM
> >> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Reference for ontological and phylogenetic
> >> > > > languagecomparison
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A CHAT perspective built on the dialectic of individual and
> >> > > > collective, the person realizes cultural possibilities available
> to
> >> > > > any one else. From this perspective, children grow up in a
> different
> >> > > > material context, hearing different utterances in the context of
> >> > > > different situation. This would lead to the contention that
> ontogeny
> >> > > > does not recapitulate phylogeny, much in the same way that a
> present
> >> > > > day football game would not recapitulate the first football game
> >>ever
> >> > > > played or its precursor. (The referent of "football" can be taken
> >>the
> >> > > > British or American way).
> >> > > > Michael
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 11-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dan I. Slobin has an article, "From Ontogenesis to phylogenesis:
> >>what
> >> > > > can
> >> > > > child language tell us about language evolution?" that appears
> in
> >>IN
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > j. Langer, S.T. Parker edited volume, "BIology and Knowledge.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The questions he poses in the article are: Does linguistic
> ontogeny
> >> > > > recapitulate phylogeny?, Does linguistic diachrony recapitulate
> >> > > > ontogony?
> >> > > > OD children create grammatical forms?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > good read but not a CHAT perspective but rather biologicaly
> based.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > eric
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
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> >> > >
> >> > > Tony Whitson
> >> > > UD School of Education
> >> > > NEWARK DE 19716
> >> > >
> >> > > twhitson@udel.edu
> >> > > _______________________________
> >> > >
> >> > > "those who fail to reread
> >> > > are obliged to read the same story everywhere"
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