I forgot to mention - the most critical aspect of pluralistic democracy is information - the uncontrolled flow of democratically developed information sources, where nobody has privelege or proprietary rights over that information - the value of information is determined by those who use it. This was a cornerstone to Dewey's thinking and he actually started a newsaper early in his career that might be considered the first democratic, pariticpatory blog (of course there was no web, so I guess you have to call it a log). Everybody has laughed at this for years - but now with the rise of blogs I wonder if people are still going to be laughing. Slowly I begin to realize that the internet is going to turn everything we know about society on its head.
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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:29 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: RE: [xmca] Evolving personalized instructional construct?
I would answer Michael's first question: "Yes you have to be involved in
some activity (socially and historically extended, object-oriented) in
order to *develop* as a person, not just learn, and that involves other
people who went before you." I think that the idea that this is
anti-democratic is weird. It is anti-liberal in the individualist meaning
of that word, but liberal individualism is not the same as "democratic".
In relation to the second question: ZOPED exists only in the relationship
between an individual, particular activities (social, object-oriented) and
some artefact used in that activity, not IN the individual as such, but
unfortunately the word "zone" and how it is used, where it is the state of
an individual learner alone which is the focus, implies quite the opposite.
A habit of thought, I guess.
Andy
At 09:45 AM 21/12/2006 -0500, Michael Glassman wrote:
>... Is Zoped making the argument that we need a gate keeper to deliver us
>information that will help us realize our learning/development - or is
>Zoped a democratic atmosphere where information is in constant negotiation
>based on the needs and the problems of the participants? I have seen both
>ideas, even on this list in the past few days. Another question - is
>Zoped part of the individual - for instance, do I have a Zoped? Or is it
>some type of learning atmosphere that fosters new insights through
>communication? If it's the latter then we can test it empirically, but we
>can't quantify or objectify it (or maybe we can - I just wanted to say it
>is not in my Zoped - but do I want to say it is not in the Zoped I am
>in?). I guess the big question EPIC asks is "Does information need to be
>controlled by somebody who (claims to have?) has more experience with it
>to have worth - or is that a recipe for authoritarianism rather than democracy?
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>Michael
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>From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Cunningham, Donald James
>Sent: Thu 12/21/2006 9:13 AM
>To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
>Subject: RE: [xmca] Evolving personalized instructional construct?
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>Yes, I was thinking of the computer versions of the SAT and GRE where the
>question you are asked next depends upon your prior answers rather than a
>set linear order. As I understand it, the procedure is supposed to allow
>the test taker to show better their "true" that might be over or
>underestimated on the basis of any given question. But certainly Ann
>Brown's notion of dynamic assessment is another example.
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>The EPIC algorithms would operate on a massive processing premise. By
>comparing results across countless learners, it would presumably have the
>capability of providing learners with just what they need, when they need
>it. Is that good teaching?
>
>Don Cunningham
>Indiana University
>
>"Whatever you are, be a good one" - A. Lincoln
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>Behalf Of Mike Cole
>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:44 PM
>To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>Subject: Re: [xmca] Evolving personalized instructional construct?
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>Don-- I am, like many, overwhelmed, but where did this come from:
>Adaptive testing is another
>example of an artificial intelligence that tries to move people into a
>zone of maximum response.
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>"Adaptive testing" is restricted to computer based testing??
>
>mike
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>On 12/20/06, David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> >
> > Don
> > Could we reframe your thoughts as the question whether is it really
> > relevant than the more competent partner in a ZOPED be a human person?
> > David
> >
> > On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Cunningham, Donald James wrote:
> >
> > > No one picked up on this and I should probably just drop it but the
> > > continued discussion on ZOPED prompts me to ask, could a computer
> > > algorithm be a "more knowledgeable" partner? Adaptive testing is
> > > another
> > > example of an artificial intelligence that tries to move people into a
> > > zone of maximum response. If the vision in EPIC 2015 were actualized,
> > > might not the algorithm be a sensei, showing us the way forward? I
> > > understand that the notion of _forward_ is problematic, but is that
> > > not
> > > also true of a human sensei......or any teacher? And why should the
> > > goal
> > > in a zoped be the ability to act independently? Most of the things
> > > in my
> > > life that have expanded my capabilities are things I have come to rely
> > > on and are now a part of me. I can't imagine how I ever wrote anything
> > > of value when I wrote in long hand, had a poor (now nearly blind
> > > thanks
> > > to me) secretary type it up, correct, edit, repeat, and so forth.
> > > Here I
> > > link with Donna's contribution where she mentions natural born
> > > cyborgs.
> > > Can anyone doubt that within my lifetime (and I'm OLD) that things
> > > like
> > > MP3's and cell phones will be available as surgical implants?
> > >
> > > Mind you, this all scares the beejeezes out of me..........djc
> > >
> > > Don Cunningham
> > > Indiana University
> > >
> > > "Whatever you are, be a good one" - A. Lincoln
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > On Behalf Of Cunningham, Donald James
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:05 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [xmca] Evolving personalized instructional construct?
> > >
> > > I sometimes wonder if the future of education is parallel to the
> > > future
> > > proposed for the news media in the flash movie EPIC 2005 (there is
> > > also
> > > an earlier version EPIC 2004). Available here:
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> > > http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/
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> > > Don Cunningham
> > >
> > > Indiana University
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> > > "Whatever you are, be a good one" - A. Lincoln
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