Problem is, I guess, that lately democracy is decreasing instead
increasing :(
On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:51 AM, Carol Macdonald wrote:
> Anxious class snobbery while democracy tends to incease.
>
> On 10/19/06, David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
>>
>> bb,
>>
>> That's exactly what I've been wondering since I went to the USA for a
>> ph.d. and landed in the middle of the evolutionary fad. I really felt
>> like an alien when talking Vygotsky, Bruner and others. Many
>> classmates never heard of Bruner and Vygotsky indeed. Ah hard
>> solitude of those days!
>>
>> The fad seems to be compatible with the political conservative air of
>> these days in the US, I guess. And, maybe, to some sort of uncritical
>> attitude to anything coming from scientists, similar to the reception
>> showed to the jensenian attitude to race diferences in iq, which was
>> relaunched by hernstein and murray, which at the same time links to
>> other harvard guy: S. Huntingon. But I really have no answer. The 70s
>> and 80s were more open to a critical science in the US, so it seems.
>> What is clear for me is that these are "weird" times, and it shocks
>> me how this neglect of anything "cultural" in the elite is compatible
>> with the nationalism of the masses. But maybe I am mixing too many
>> things.
>>
>> In Chile, evolutionary psychology is laughed by intellectuals (as it
>> is Huntington) (which sometimes places me at the opposite side and
>> pushes me to teach evolution seriously to my students, but not
>> Huntington, of course).
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 11:38 PM, bb wrote:
>>
>> > What I'm wondering about is the nature of cultural processes that
>> > make this kind of (I'll reserve judgment , but insert whatever
>> > adjectives you think should fit here , in place of this comment )
>> > theory news-worthy?
>> >
>> > bb
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> > From: David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl>
>> >> I am not so sure, Martin, this is a fair comparison. For Vygotskty
>> >> the way culture shapes biology is by means of the
>> internalization of
>> >> tools and symbols. For this guy, what culture does is triggering
>> >> changes in our sexual preferences and weakening our immune system.
>> >> Very different, I guess.
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 18, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> But this is precisely an example of a theory in which socio-
>> >>> historical
>> >>> evolution is seen as shaping biological evolution, no? As David
>> >>> (Kellogg)
>> >>> said a couple of days ago:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I think that Vygotsky's position on the connection between
>> >>>> learning and
>> >>>> development, and also the connection between ontogenesis and
>> socio-
>> >>>> historical
>> >>>> development, and even the connection between socio-historical
>> >>>> development and
>> >>>> biological evolution is that all of these things are indeed
>> >>>> linked, but
>> >>>> nevertheless distinct. Linked but distinct.
>> >>>
>> >>> Martin
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/18/06 6:02 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I wonder if the guy REALLY thinks this or is just seeking
>> >>>> publicity.
>> >>>> I am astonished how many evolutionary theories make it to the
>> press
>> >>>> these days. What is making these theories so fashionable is
>> >>>> beyond my
>> >>>> understanding. Is like a postmodern, late capitalism state of
>> mind
>> >>>> Any guesses?
>> >>>> David
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:55 AM, bb wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years'
>> time as
>> >>>>> predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of
>> >>>>> Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted
>> >>>>> underclass
>> >>>>> to emerge. "
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In the year 2525
>> >>>>> If man is still alive....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> Date: October 14, 2006 9:55:13 PM GMT-04:00
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