Re: [xmca] Artifacts, Tools and Classroom

Date: Wed Jan 18 2006 - 06:50:15 PST

bb, mike, mary, et al:

Returning to Vygotsky in regards to the subject of sign as tool use begs
the subject of Vygotsky's premise of language formation as not only
progressing through stages of development; Vygotsky would make sure to
point out that these stages are not static but rather flow along a
continuum depending on context, the stages being, autism -syncretic-higher
psychological function. In the recent article up for discussion it is my
humble opinion that the authors are focusing on the scyncretic stage and
therefore must make the distinction between referant and spoken word.


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If we are thinking neither of how mathematical signs are used in
in designing things, in architecture, changing the physical world -- nor
mastering tools necessitate mastering oneself, as in a child picking up a
hammer for the first time, or putting on a pair of ice skates, then the raw

quote from LSV makes wonderful but naive sense. Tools and signs as
categories expressing difference in function, theoretically, is just fine.

But in instantiation there are many things that are both tools AND signs.


On Monday 16 January 2006 12:01 pm, Mary K. Bryson wrote:
> On 1/15/06 1:20 AM, "Steve Gabosch" <> wrote:
> > The
> > point LSV is making is that in this respect,
> > tools and signs are similar and not
> > different.
> "A most essential difference between sign and tool, and the basis for the
> real divergence of the two lines, is the different ways that they orient
> human behavior. The tool's function is to serve as the conductor of human
> influence on the object of activity; it is externally oriented; it must
> lead to changes in objects. It is a means by which human external
> is aimed at mastering, and triumphing over, nature. The sign on the other
> hand changes nothing in the object of a psychological operation. It is a
> means of internal activity aimed at mastering oneself; the sign is
> internally oriented. These activities are so different from each other
> the nature of the means they use cannot be the same in both cases."
> LSV, Mind in Society, P. 55
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