Re: [xmca] ISCAR - Sevilla 2005 -- Theoretical Concepts in CHAT and their connestion...

From: Lois Holzman (
Date: Sat Oct 08 2005 - 14:02:16 PDT

Yes, Mike, there was! I had forgotten (it was way back on the Wednesday of
the congress), so thanks for the reminder.
I heard two presentations at that session, which was entitled Studying
Health Care in Social Practice. One was Ole's and the other was on
rehabilitation and based on his ideas. In his talk, Ole raised a
contradiction of therapy, namely that it is meant to have effects outside
the therapy and yet the structure of therapy is one of seclusion. I don't
recall a lot said other than this separates things from their
As for papers for discussion, it there is interest in this therapy issue and
also in the "other side" of Marx (i.e., human/species development), then I
could offer my Activating Postmodernism, a paper that will appear in the Feb
06 issue of Theory & Psychology, a special issue entitled What Kind of
Theory is Activity Theory? which I guest-edited (Mike, this is the journal I
invited you to write an article for, but it unfortunately came at a time you
couldn't do it).

> From: Mike Cole <>
> Reply-To:, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <>
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:52:32 -0700
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR - Sevilla 2005 -- Theoretical Concepts in CHAT and
> their connestion...
> Wasn't there a session involving Ole Drier on therepeutic work, Lois:?
> mike
> PS-- And what about the idea of us gathinger together a bunch of key
> papers /abstracts to ground discussion?
> On 10/6/05, Lois Holzman <> wrote:
>> Adding my impressions to Ana's and Dot's and others...
>> Just about everyone (myself included) was frustrated that the sessions
>> they
>> REALLY wanted to go to were at the same time as theirs! That's a good
>> thing
>> though, reflective of an interesting program.
>> Like others have mentioned, I was pleased with the presence of play and
>> its
>> relationship to development. I also urge we do more interactive and
>> playful
>> sessions, like Ana's and to a lesser extent, the one Artin, Tony Perone,
>> Carrie and I did. The whole issue of adult play, adult learning and
>> development is, I think, underrepresented in ISCAR. Maybe that is
>> changing.
>> A new thread was therapeutics, which I was so pleased to see (as I've been
>> just abut the only one presenting on that in the past). I presented in one
>> session and Pedro gave a terrific overview of how CHAT might contribute to
>> reinvigorating (my word, not his) psychotherapy. I would love to see an
>> ongoing discussion of AT and psychotherapy, which I could initiate if
>> there
>> is interest.
>> It's my impression that there was lots on children and relatively little
>> on
>> teens, except in relation to identity. I wished for more reports and
>> discussion on intervention projects.
>> Overall, I found the environment more informal, friendly and just less
>> stuffy than in the past!
>> Lois
>>> From: Dot Robbins <>
>>> Reply-To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <>
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [xmca] ISCAR - Sevilla 2005 -- Theoretical Concepts in CHAT and
>> their
>>> connestion...
>>> Dear Ana,
>>> Thank you so much for your reflections....I found myself returning to a
>>> mountain of work, with no perceived time for reflection of Seville.
>> Thanks for
>>> changing that. It was a deep joy to speak with you, Ana, and to connect
>> with
>>> others, and a little sadness at not being able to hear more
>> presentations....I
>>> would like to say that I was profoundly touched at the session that
>> Michael
>>> Roth organized, especially with Bakhurst's positive-critical thoughts on
>> the
>>> thrid generation of activity theory.....points that really need to be
>>> addressed. And, Mike's statements, as I told him, touched me to the very
>> core
>>> of my being. Clearly, we need to ask ourselves who profits from CHAT
>> research
>>> and practice.....Mike received a question about the "romantic" climate
>> in the
>>> film the "Butterflies of Zagorsk," a BBC production during the 1980s
>> about the
>>> blind and deaf institute in the former Zagorsk, Russia, where people
>> were
>>> trained so that they actually could receive higher degrees in
>> psychology!
>>> at
>>> Moscow State University. One woman, is a mother of two children, a poet,
>> a
>>> psychologist....and my mind wandered back to this nostalgia. Mike
>> stopped it
>>> immediately....he told us that every situation we are in can be used for
>> our
>>> research (and of course, we know it can enhance our own transformation,
>> and
>>> that of others). Mike spoke of his work in Africa, and how that is his
>>> laboratory....and of very large classes in California he wants to
>> humanize. I
>>> was stunned beyond belief at his words, as I am very involved in an
>> orphanage
>>> 120 km West of Moscow, and to be honest, I have never viewed this
>> situation as
>>> my field of research, my field of helping to create transformation. And,
>> I
>>> returned home to rural Missouri truly empowered inside, to start to
>> create my
>>> research field every day, in the trenches where I live at the moment.
>> Mike's
>>> speech completely transformed me, as a human being, and as a researcher.
>> I
>>> learned to stop romanticizing the past, and jump into "today," no
>> matter!
>>> where I
>>> am, and really live, and also know that I am the one who has profited so
>>> greatly from Vygotskian-inspired theory and practice. Sevilla was
>> wonderful!
>>> May some of these notes we are writing reach the organizers, and may we
>> show
>>> them our gratitude. As well, Seth has given more of himself to ISCRAT
>> and
>>> ISCAR than many of us realize....He is often alone in many areas, and
>> each of
>>> us needs to jump in more and help him and others with concrete actions.
>> I
>>> thank all of you for so many things as well. For me, Sevilla is a new
>>> beginning....And, I really want to thank you, Ana, and Lois (perhaps
>> others)
>>> for going beyond words to active sessions that allow us to move,
>> interact, and
>>> become more human.
>>> warmly,
>>> Dot
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