We are having a national demonstration here in London, and I understand
that there are some in the US, and elsewhere.
A bit difficult in Chile?!
Shirley
On 4 Sep 2005, at 20:43, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
> Shirley,
> For sure, for those living in the USA, which empatize with our point
> of view. I live in Chile and I am not an american citizen myself...
> David
>
> Shirley Franklin writes:
>> On 24th September there are international demonstrations about the
>> war in Iraq.
>> I think it's really important that the links are made with the
>> shameful, horrendous outcomes for the balck, poor (and it seems many
>> others) in the hurricane areas of the USA.
>> It is an opportunity, beyond writing, to do something!
>> Mind, culture and ACTIVITY!
>> Shirley
>> On 4 Sep 2005, at 20:23, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
>>> But this country has short memory, Mike, and an incompetent
>>> political opposition with the demoractic party. Let us way and
>>> see...
>>> David Mike Cole writes:
>>>> I believe it is too early to tell what depth and what kind of
>>>> politicalization
>>>> has occurred and will occurred. It is estimated that besides loss
>>>> of life, property and
>>>> infrastructure, 1 million people have lost work. What happens to
>>>> them, along with many
>>>> associated happenings, will exert a strong influence on whether or
>>>> not these events
>>>> are sufficient to changes the course of world events. On 9/3/05,
>>>> Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>> This public outrage and expose seems to be one of the very few
>>>>> positive
>>>>> outcomes of this man-made disaster.
>>>>> So many more Americans must have become politicised than after
>>>>> 9.11?
>>>>> Shirley
>>>>> On 3 Sep 2005, at 21:45, Mike Cole wrote: > The Iraq/Katrina
>>>>> connections are in wide currency in local media
>>>>> > coverage as well, Shirley. Many unvoiceable thoughts by
>>>>> unhearable
>>>>> > people have exploded all over the US media, along with
>>>>> predictable
>>>>> > moves to restore ideological as well as physical order.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 9/3/05, Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Our impression here in the UK is that people are very much
>>>>> relating
>>>>> >> the disgusting neglect by the Bush Government of those hit by
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> hurricane to the war and occupation of Iraq.
>>>>> >> The Daily Mirror, a tabloid daily newspaper, published this
>>>>> today:
>>>>> >> (Shirley Franklin)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 3 September 2005
>>>>> >> MICHAEL MOORE: DEAR MR BUSH
>>>>> >> Dear Mr Bush,
>>>>> >> Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane
>>>>> >> Katrina
>>>>> >> and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be
>>>>> airlifted.
>>>>> >> Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military
>>>>> choppers? Do
>>>>> >> you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears
>>>>> parking lot.
>>>>> >> Man, was that a drag.
>>>>> >> Also, any idea where all our National Guard soldiers are? We
>>>>> could
>>>>> >> really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up
>>>>> to do
>>>>> >> like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't
>>>>> there to
>>>>> >> begin with?
>>>>> >> Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the
>>>>> eye of
>>>>> >> Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1
>>>>> then
>>>>> >> but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today,
>>>>> there
>>>>> >> were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> >> tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and
>>>>> I know
>>>>> >> how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers
>>>>> to go to
>>>>> >> and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure
>>>>> showed her!
>>>>> >> I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of
>>>>> flying
>>>>> >> to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business
>>>>> peeps.
>>>>> >> Don't let people criticize you for this - after all, the
>>>>> hurricane was
>>>>> >> over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the
>>>>> dike?
>>>>> >> And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal
>>>>> how you
>>>>> >> specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New
>>>>> >> Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell
>>>>> them
>>>>> >> that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there
>>>>> >> weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway
>>>>> because you
>>>>> >> had a much more important construction job for them - BUILDING
>>>>> >> DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
>>>>> >> Advertisement
>>>>> >> On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to
>>>>> say I
>>>>> >> was
>>>>> >> moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the
>>>>> clouds
>>>>> >> as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and
>>>>> stand
>>>>> >> on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there
>>>>> done
>>>>> >> that.
>>>>> >> There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and
>>>>> try to
>>>>> >> use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that
>>>>> out.
>>>>> >> Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting
>>>>> hotter
>>>>> >> and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and
>>>>> all
>>>>> >> their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual
>>>>> about a
>>>>> >> hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4
>>>>> tornado
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> stretched from New York to Cleveland.
>>>>> >> No, Mr Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that
>>>>> 30 per
>>>>> >> cent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands
>>>>> had no
>>>>> >> transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I
>>>>> mean, it's
>>>>> >> not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine
>>>>> leaving white
>>>>> >> people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race
>>>>> has
>>>>> >> nothing - NOTHING - to do with this!
>>>>> >> You hang in there, Mr Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army
>>>>> >> helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New
>>>>> Orleans and
>>>>> >> the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
>>>>> >> Yours, Michael Moore MMFlint@aol.com;
>>>>> >> www.MichaelMoore.com <http://www.MichaelMoore.com><
>>>>> http://www.MichaelMoore.com>
>>>>> >> P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your
>>>>> ranch.
>>>>> >> She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now
>>>>> >> driving
>>>>> >> across the country, stopping in many cities along the way.
>>>>> Maybe you
>>>>> >> can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 3 Sep 2005, at 17:59, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Indeed, my humble impression, is that what Madame Katrina made
>>>>> more
>>>>> >>> evident is the issue of the lack of social justice. But, from
>>>>> >>> compasion to a real endorsement of new policies there is a
>>>>> huge step
>>>>> >>> and, my pessimistic prediction, is that, when voting, people
>>>>> will
>>>>> >>> care
>>>>> >>> more about taxation and oil prices than social security,
>>>>> education
>>>>> >>> and
>>>>> >>> environment. And, who knows, maybe nobody will remember that
>>>>> there is
>>>>> >>> a war going on up there in iraq.
>>>>> >>> David
>>>>> >>> Mike Cole writes:
>>>>> >>>> I believe you may be underestimating the situation here,
>>>>> Phil. We
>>>>> >>>> all
>>>>> >>>> are underestimating..
>>>>> >>>> What is needed is a truly many sided account derived from
>>>>> people in
>>>>> >>>> many positions. Of which your post and the others on XMCA and
>>>>> other
>>>>> >>>> such dicussion groups are some.
>>>>> >>>> I have never witnessed American journalists so deeply in
>>>>> sympathy
>>>>> >>>> the people they
>>>>> >>>> are reporting on. The class and race issues are benig far more
>>>>> >>>> widely
>>>>> >>>> discussed in a way that the rising price of gasoline has not.
>>>>> Deep
>>>>> >>>> questioning of the Bush government
>>>>> >>>> has surfaced in very mainstreat media-- The NY Times, this
>>>>> morning,
>>>>> >>>> pointed to the tax
>>>>> >>>> system and said it is essential to start to think about
>>>>> increasing
>>>>> >>>> taxes to pay for governance,
>>>>> >>>> broadly speaking. The voices of the poor have, in a very rare
>>>>> >>>> moment, been loudly and clearly heard. The middle
>>>>> >>>> and upper classes have not been on TV except in the guise of
>>>>> >>>> politicians... they got away and
>>>>> >>>> while inconvenienced severely, have not undergone the terror
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> fatigue.
>>>>> >>>> You are, of course, entirely correct that such a situation
>>>>> has gone
>>>>> >>>> unresolved in the Tsunami zone
>>>>> >>>> but that the drama in the US creates forgetting of the
>>>>> >>>> still-vicimized survivors of the last great,
>>>>> >>>> "natural" disaster. And we can predict the same for the Gulf
>>>>> Coast.
>>>>> >>>> Unless there are some fundamental changes in US policies, its
>>>>> >>>> governmental general world view, the poor will have again
>>>>> >>>> begun to go "of the radar screen" of "society," so that again
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> head of FEMA will be hear and seen
>>>>> >>>> to say that he was not aware that such people existed.
>>>>> >>>> Its hard to learn from history when one has a short memory.
>>>>> >>>> mike On 9/3/05, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> I in no way wish to detract from the immediate and immense
>>>>> problems
>>>>> >>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>> the gulf, but I have just spent a couple of days in Phuket,
>>>>> >>>>> Thailand
>>>>> >>>>> (on an educational kind of visit) where thousands died 8
>>>>> months ago
>>>>> >>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>> another natural disaster. 8 months on there are dispossessed
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>> traumatised children who lost all family members, street
>>>>> vendors
>>>>> >>>>> who
>>>>> >>>>> cooked and sold bbq chicken and salad to put their kids
>>>>> through
>>>>> >>>>> school
>>>>> >>>>> whose carts were destroyed and who are still working out how
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>> return
>>>>> >>>>> to their villages over a 1000 km away, homeless adults
>>>>> wandering
>>>>> >>>>> around
>>>>> >>>>> with ragbags (a very unusual sight in this international
>>>>> playground
>>>>> >>>>> where everyone prospered), and endless, endless, endless
>>>>> >>>>> restaurants,
>>>>> >>>>> bars, and other entertainment joints empty except for the
>>>>> few staff
>>>>> >>>>> who
>>>>> >>>>> are dozing on tables. The "west" has shunned its former
>>>>> playground.
>>>>> >>>>> An
>>>>> >>>>> island that once owed its existence to the various fishing
>>>>> >>>>> communities,
>>>>> >>>>> many nomadic, that plied its waters; a playground that now
>>>>> owes its
>>>>> >>>>> existence to western "fly and flop" tourism, and James Bond.
>>>>> The 4
>>>>> >>>>> and 5-star hotels remain unaffected, apart from having no
>>>>> guests.
>>>>> >>>>> Several people complained of the government's slowness in
>>>>> providing
>>>>> >>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>> reconstruction support that they felt was due months ago.
>>>>> And the
>>>>> >>>>> government complains that the millions pledged by other
>>>>> countries
>>>>> >>>>> are
>>>>> >>>>> still to be received. I don't have international TV at home,
>>>>> but I
>>>>> >>>>> watched it in my hotel in
>>>>> >>>>> Phuket. I saw Americans echoing the words of Thais, albeit 8
>>>>> months
>>>>> >>>>> too
>>>>> >>>>> early. And I read in a local English rag the complaints that
>>>>> "the
>>>>> >>>>> Bush
>>>>> >>>>> government is spending all its money on the war in Iraq and
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> >>>>> have enough to support this latest disaster". (I didn't
>>>>> bring the
>>>>> >>>>> article back with me and it's not available electronically).
>>>>> My
>>>>> >>>>> hope
>>>>> >>>>> is that the spin can stop for long enough to help those who
>>>>> >>>>> need - in the latest gulf area, in Thailand, in Sri Lanka,
>>>>> in Banda
>>>>> >>>>> Ache, on the bridge in Iraq............ One poignant moment
>>>>> for me
>>>>> >>>>> was the entertainment place (half bar/half
>>>>> >>>>> restaurant) that we passed by. A cable tv (cnn) was showing
>>>>> looters
>>>>> >>>>> up
>>>>> >>>>> to their necks in water. The viewers were slumped on tables
>>>>> asleep
>>>>> >>>>> -
>>>>> >>>>> the wait-staff for the evening, waiting. This is not a
>>>>> terribly
>>>>> >>>>> eloquent post, but one I wanted to write as I
>>>>> >>>>> ponder humanity's latest issues with nature and itself. And
>>>>> from
>>>>> >>>>> another list: "In such a terrible situation as the one that
>>>>> >>>>> thousands of people are
>>>>> >>>>> experiencing now in the USA, I believe it is not time for
>>>>> refined
>>>>> >>>>> exercises of discourse analysis (at least, I would be unable
>>>>> to do
>>>>> >>>>> them) that, for the sake of academic "rigor" and
>>>>> self-complacency
>>>>> >>>>> (which too often are one and the same issue) would obscure
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>> fundamental issues at stake in this crisis. The simple issue
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>> the bodies and minds of poor people always DIE in greater
>>>>> >>>>> quantities
>>>>> >>>>> and SUFFER more than other economic classes under critical
>>>>> >>>>> circumstances. If you have an opportunity, do search for and
>>>>> listen
>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>> these speeches, for example. I doubt that CNN will make them
>>>>> >>>>> available
>>>>> >>>>> on line. And to the international academic community
>>>>> (particularly
>>>>> >>>>> the US
>>>>> >>>>> scholars) I can only suggest, with all due respect and
>>>>> humbleness,
>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>> consider anew or review the role that the material bases of
>>>>> >>>>> society,
>>>>> >>>>> and particularly objects such as "class", "class relations",
>>>>> >>>>> "poverty",
>>>>> >>>>> or the like, play in the models (?) that inform (?) their
>>>>> >>>>> respective
>>>>> >>>>> forms of discourse analyses." Phil On 03/09/2005, at 2:01
>>>>> AM, Vera
>>>>> >>>>> Steiner wrote: > Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>> The only small step that I am aware of is that the U. of New
>>>>> >>>>> Mexico is
>>>>> >>>>>> letting undergraduates enroll with no
>>>>> >>>>>> records and providing them with tuition, etc. But no steps
>>>>> thus
>>>>> >>>>> far at
>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>> graduate level or assistance to researchers,
>>>>> >>>>>> Vera
>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Peg Griffin" <Peg.Griffin@worldnet.att.net>
>>>>> >>>>>> To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'"
>>>>> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:46 PM
>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief
>>>>> Fund
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info, David.
>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know if any of the colleges and universities to the
>>>>> south
>>>>> >>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>> east
>>>>> >>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge have any temporary web homes?
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know of anyone keeping track of ways to work
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>>>>>> students,
>>>>> >>>>>>> teachers, researchers who have been displaced from the
>>>>> gulf?
>>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone getting a database about displaced doctoral
>>>>> candidates
>>>>> >>>>> who
>>>>> >>>>>>> need
>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>> replace months of data collection, students who need
>>>>> certain
>>>>> >>>>>>> requirements
>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>> graduate, junior faculty who have to rewrite their almost
>>>>> >>>>>>> finished
>>>>> >>>>>>> manuscripts and so on?
>>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone trying to get them together with university
>>>>> people who
>>>>> >>>>> can
>>>>> >>>>>>> help
>>>>> >>>>>>> them work out reasonable next steps?
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> So far the evidence from Yale and UC seems to say that
>>>>> those
>>>>> >>>>>>> institutions
>>>>> >>>>>>> haven't yet recognized they might be the someones with the
>>>>> >>>>> expertise
>>>>> >>>>>>> to do
>>>>> >>>>>>> these sorts of things...
>>>>> >>>>>>> PG
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> >>>>>>> [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of David Daniel Preiss Contreras
>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:12 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>> To: 'xmca@weber.ucsd.edu'
>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> A secular way to help, from the site of
>>>>> >>>>> www.lsu.edu <http://www.lsu.edu> <http://www.lsu.edu><
>>>>> http://www.lsu.edu>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> David
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina has had a terrible effect on our state
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>> there are
>>>>> >>>>>> many
>>>>> >>>>>>> LSU students from South Louisiana who could use your help
>>>>> in this
>>>>> >>>>>>> time of
>>>>> >>>>>>> need. The LSU Foundation's Hurricane Katrina - LSU Student
>>>>> Relief
>>>>> >>>>>>> Fund
>>>>> >>>>>> was
>>>>> >>>>>>> created in response to the far-reaching damage caused by
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane
>>>>> >>>>>> Katrina,
>>>>> >>>>>>> and all donations to this fund will directly assist
>>>>> students
>>>>> >>>>>>> whose
>>>>> >>>>>>> lives
>>>>> >>>>>>> have been greatly affected by the storm.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> To give to the relief fund by credit card, simply fill out
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>> information
>>>>> >>>>>>> here. If you would like to donate by check, please make
>>>>> the check
>>>>> >>>>>>> payable
>>>>> >>>>>>> to the LSU Foundation and indicate on the check that it is
>>>>> >>>>> intended
>>>>> >>>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>> LSU Student Relief Fund. You can mail your check to:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>>> >>>>>>> c/o LSU Foundation
>>>>> >>>>>>> 3838 W. Lakeshore Dr.
>>>>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge , LA 70808
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for giving to the LSU Student Relief Fund, and,
>>>>> as
>>>>> >>>>> always,
>>>>> >>>>>>> thank
>>>>> >>>>>>> you for all you do for LSU.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> David D. Preiss
>>>>> >>>>>>> home page: http://pantheon.yale.edu/~ddp6/
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>>>>> >> Shirley Franklin
>>>>> >> St Martin's College,
>>>>> >> Tower Hamlets PDC,
>>>>> >> English Street,
>>>>> >> London
>>>>> >> E3 4TA
>>>>> >> Tel: 0207 364 6334
>>>>> >> Mob: 07958 745802
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>>>>> Shirley Franklin
>>>>> St Martin's College,
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>>>>> English Street,
>>>>> London
>>>>> E3 4TA
>>>>> Tel: 0207 364 6334
>>>>> Mob: 07958 745802
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