Shirley,
For sure, for those living in the USA, which empatize with our point of
view. I live in Chile and I am not an american citizen myself...
David
Shirley Franklin writes:
> On 24th September there are international demonstrations about the war in
> Iraq.
> I think it's really important that the links are made with the shameful,
> horrendous outcomes for the balck, poor (and it seems many others) in the
> hurricane areas of the USA.
> It is an opportunity, beyond writing, to do something!
> Mind, culture and ACTIVITY!
> Shirley
> On 4 Sep 2005, at 20:23, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> But this country has short memory, Mike, and an incompetent political
>> opposition with the demoractic party. Let us way and see...
>> David
>>
>> Mike Cole writes:
>>> I believe it is too early to tell what depth and what kind of
>>> politicalization
>>> has occurred and will occurred. It is estimated that besides loss of
>>> life, property and
>>> infrastructure, 1 million people have lost work. What happens to them,
>>> along with many
>>> associated happenings, will exert a strong influence on whether or not
>>> these events
>>> are sufficient to changes the course of world events. On 9/3/05,
>>> Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>> This public outrage and expose seems to be one of the very few positive
>>>> outcomes of this man-made disaster.
>>>> So many more Americans must have become politicised than after 9.11?
>>>> Shirley
>>>> On 3 Sep 2005, at 21:45, Mike Cole wrote: > The Iraq/Katrina
>>>> connections are in wide currency in local media
>>>> > coverage as well, Shirley. Many unvoiceable thoughts by unhearable
>>>> > people have exploded all over the US media, along with predictable
>>>> > moves to restore ideological as well as physical order.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/3/05, Shirley Franklin <s.franklin@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Our impression here in the UK is that people are very much relating
>>>> >> the disgusting neglect by the Bush Government of those hit by the
>>>> >> hurricane to the war and occupation of Iraq.
>>>> >> The Daily Mirror, a tabloid daily newspaper, published this today:
>>>> >> (Shirley Franklin)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 3 September 2005
>>>> >> MICHAEL MOORE: DEAR MR BUSH
>>>> >> Dear Mr Bush,
>>>> >> Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane
>>>> >> Katrina
>>>> >> and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be
>>>> airlifted.
>>>> >> Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers?
>>>> Do
>>>> >> you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking
>>>> lot.
>>>> >> Man, was that a drag.
>>>> >> Also, any idea where all our National Guard soldiers are? We could
>>>> >> really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do
>>>> >> like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to
>>>> >> begin with?
>>>> >> Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye
>>>> of
>>>> >> Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then
>>>> >> but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there
>>>> >> were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this
>>>> >> storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody
>>>> >> tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I
>>>> know
>>>> >> how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go
>>>> to
>>>> >> and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed
>>>> her!
>>>> >> I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of
>>>> flying
>>>> >> to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business
>>>> peeps.
>>>> >> Don't let people criticize you for this - after all, the hurricane
>>>> was
>>>> >> over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
>>>> >> And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how
>>>> you
>>>> >> specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New
>>>> >> Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them
>>>> >> that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there
>>>> >> weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because
>>>> you
>>>> >> had a much more important construction job for them - BUILDING
>>>> >> DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
>>>> >> Advertisement
>>>> >> On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the
>>>> clouds
>>>> >> as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the
>>>> >> disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and
>>>> stand
>>>> >> on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done
>>>> >> that.
>>>> >> There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try
>>>> to
>>>> >> use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out.
>>>> >> Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this
>>>> >> would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting
>>>> hotter
>>>> >> and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all
>>>> >> their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about
>>>> a
>>>> >> hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> stretched from New York to Cleveland.
>>>> >> No, Mr Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30
>>>> per
>>>> >> cent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had
>>>> no
>>>> >> transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean,
>>>> it's
>>>> >> not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving
>>>> white
>>>> >> people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has
>>>> >> nothing - NOTHING - to do with this!
>>>> >> You hang in there, Mr Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army
>>>> >> helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans
>>>> and
>>>> >> the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
>>>> >> Yours, Michael Moore MMFlint@aol.com;
>>>> >> www.MichaelMoore.com <http://www.MichaelMoore.com><
>>>> http://www.MichaelMoore.com>
>>>> >> P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your
>>>> ranch.
>>>> >> She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now
>>>> >> driving
>>>> >> across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you
>>>> >> can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 3 Sep 2005, at 17:59, David Daniel Preiss Contreras wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Indeed, my humble impression, is that what Madame Katrina made more
>>>> >>> evident is the issue of the lack of social justice. But, from
>>>> >>> compasion to a real endorsement of new policies there is a huge
>>>> step
>>>> >>> and, my pessimistic prediction, is that, when voting, people will
>>>> >>> care
>>>> >>> more about taxation and oil prices than social security, education
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> environment. And, who knows, maybe nobody will remember that there
>>>> is
>>>> >>> a war going on up there in iraq.
>>>> >>> David
>>>> >>> Mike Cole writes:
>>>> >>>> I believe you may be underestimating the situation here, Phil. We
>>>> >>>> all
>>>> >>>> are underestimating..
>>>> >>>> What is needed is a truly many sided account derived from people
>>>> in
>>>> >>>> many positions. Of which your post and the others on XMCA and
>>>> other
>>>> >>>> such dicussion groups are some.
>>>> >>>> I have never witnessed American journalists so deeply in sympathy
>>>> >>>> the people they
>>>> >>>> are reporting on. The class and race issues are benig far more
>>>> >>>> widely
>>>> >>>> discussed in a way that the rising price of gasoline has not. Deep
>>>> >>>> questioning of the Bush government
>>>> >>>> has surfaced in very mainstreat media-- The NY Times, this
>>>> morning,
>>>> >>>> pointed to the tax
>>>> >>>> system and said it is essential to start to think about increasing
>>>> >>>> taxes to pay for governance,
>>>> >>>> broadly speaking. The voices of the poor have, in a very rare
>>>> >>>> moment, been loudly and clearly heard. The middle
>>>> >>>> and upper classes have not been on TV except in the guise of
>>>> >>>> politicians... they got away and
>>>> >>>> while inconvenienced severely, have not undergone the terror and
>>>> >>>> fatigue.
>>>> >>>> You are, of course, entirely correct that such a situation has
>>>> gone
>>>> >>>> unresolved in the Tsunami zone
>>>> >>>> but that the drama in the US creates forgetting of the
>>>> >>>> still-vicimized survivors of the last great,
>>>> >>>> "natural" disaster. And we can predict the same for the Gulf
>>>> Coast.
>>>> >>>> Unless there are some fundamental changes in US policies, its
>>>> >>>> governmental general world view, the poor will have again
>>>> >>>> begun to go "of the radar screen" of "society," so that again the
>>>> >>>> head of FEMA will be hear and seen
>>>> >>>> to say that he was not aware that such people existed.
>>>> >>>> Its hard to learn from history when one has a short memory.
>>>> >>>> mike On 9/3/05, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> I in no way wish to detract from the immediate and immense
>>>> problems
>>>> >>>>> in
>>>> >>>>> the gulf, but I have just spent a couple of days in Phuket,
>>>> >>>>> Thailand
>>>> >>>>> (on an educational kind of visit) where thousands died 8 months
>>>> ago
>>>> >>>>> in
>>>> >>>>> another natural disaster. 8 months on there are dispossessed and
>>>> >>>>> traumatised children who lost all family members, street vendors
>>>> >>>>> who
>>>> >>>>> cooked and sold bbq chicken and salad to put their kids through
>>>> >>>>> school
>>>> >>>>> whose carts were destroyed and who are still working out how to
>>>> >>>>> return
>>>> >>>>> to their villages over a 1000 km away, homeless adults wandering
>>>> >>>>> around
>>>> >>>>> with ragbags (a very unusual sight in this international
>>>> playground
>>>> >>>>> where everyone prospered), and endless, endless, endless
>>>> >>>>> restaurants,
>>>> >>>>> bars, and other entertainment joints empty except for the few
>>>> staff
>>>> >>>>> who
>>>> >>>>> are dozing on tables. The "west" has shunned its former
>>>> playground.
>>>> >>>>> An
>>>> >>>>> island that once owed its existence to the various fishing
>>>> >>>>> communities,
>>>> >>>>> many nomadic, that plied its waters; a playground that now owes
>>>> its
>>>> >>>>> existence to western "fly and flop" tourism, and James Bond. The
>>>> 4
>>>> >>>>> and 5-star hotels remain unaffected, apart from having no guests.
>>>> >>>>> Several people complained of the government's slowness in
>>>> providing
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> reconstruction support that they felt was due months ago. And the
>>>> >>>>> government complains that the millions pledged by other countries
>>>> >>>>> are
>>>> >>>>> still to be received. I don't have international TV at home, but
>>>> I
>>>> >>>>> watched it in my hotel in
>>>> >>>>> Phuket. I saw Americans echoing the words of Thais, albeit 8
>>>> months
>>>> >>>>> too
>>>> >>>>> early. And I read in a local English rag the complaints that "the
>>>> >>>>> Bush
>>>> >>>>> government is spending all its money on the war in Iraq and
>>>> doesn't
>>>> >>>>> have enough to support this latest disaster". (I didn't bring the
>>>> >>>>> article back with me and it's not available electronically). My
>>>> >>>>> hope
>>>> >>>>> is that the spin can stop for long enough to help those who
>>>> >>>>> need - in the latest gulf area, in Thailand, in Sri Lanka, in
>>>> Banda
>>>> >>>>> Ache, on the bridge in Iraq............ One poignant moment for
>>>> me
>>>> >>>>> was the entertainment place (half bar/half
>>>> >>>>> restaurant) that we passed by. A cable tv (cnn) was showing
>>>> looters
>>>> >>>>> up
>>>> >>>>> to their necks in water. The viewers were slumped on tables
>>>> asleep
>>>> >>>>> -
>>>> >>>>> the wait-staff for the evening, waiting. This is not a terribly
>>>> >>>>> eloquent post, but one I wanted to write as I
>>>> >>>>> ponder humanity's latest issues with nature and itself. And from
>>>> >>>>> another list: "In such a terrible situation as the one that
>>>> >>>>> thousands of people are
>>>> >>>>> experiencing now in the USA, I believe it is not time for refined
>>>> >>>>> exercises of discourse analysis (at least, I would be unable to
>>>> do
>>>> >>>>> them) that, for the sake of academic "rigor" and self-complacency
>>>> >>>>> (which too often are one and the same issue) would obscure the
>>>> >>>>> fundamental issues at stake in this crisis. The simple issue is
>>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>>> the bodies and minds of poor people always DIE in greater
>>>> >>>>> quantities
>>>> >>>>> and SUFFER more than other economic classes under critical
>>>> >>>>> circumstances. If you have an opportunity, do search for and
>>>> listen
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>> these speeches, for example. I doubt that CNN will make them
>>>> >>>>> available
>>>> >>>>> on line. And to the international academic community
>>>> (particularly
>>>> >>>>> the US
>>>> >>>>> scholars) I can only suggest, with all due respect and
>>>> humbleness,
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>> consider anew or review the role that the material bases of
>>>> >>>>> society,
>>>> >>>>> and particularly objects such as "class", "class relations",
>>>> >>>>> "poverty",
>>>> >>>>> or the like, play in the models (?) that inform (?) their
>>>> >>>>> respective
>>>> >>>>> forms of discourse analyses." Phil On 03/09/2005, at 2:01 AM,
>>>> Vera
>>>> >>>>> Steiner wrote: > Hi,
>>>> >>>>>> The only small step that I am aware of is that the U. of New
>>>> >>>>> Mexico is
>>>> >>>>>> letting undergraduates enroll with no
>>>> >>>>>> records and providing them with tuition, etc. But no steps thus
>>>> >>>>> far at
>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> graduate level or assistance to researchers,
>>>> >>>>>> Vera
>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>> From: "Peg Griffin" <Peg.Griffin@worldnet.att.net>
>>>> >>>>>> To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:46 PM
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info, David.
>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know if any of the colleges and universities to the
>>>> south
>>>> >>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>>> east
>>>> >>>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge have any temporary web homes?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know of anyone keeping track of ways to work with
>>>> >>>>>>> students,
>>>> >>>>>>> teachers, researchers who have been displaced from the gulf?
>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone getting a database about displaced doctoral
>>>> candidates
>>>> >>>>> who
>>>> >>>>>>> need
>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>> replace months of data collection, students who need certain
>>>> >>>>>>> requirements
>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>> graduate, junior faculty who have to rewrite their almost
>>>> >>>>>>> finished
>>>> >>>>>>> manuscripts and so on?
>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone trying to get them together with university people
>>>> who
>>>> >>>>> can
>>>> >>>>>>> help
>>>> >>>>>>> them work out reasonable next steps?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> So far the evidence from Yale and UC seems to say that those
>>>> >>>>>>> institutions
>>>> >>>>>>> haven't yet recognized they might be the someones with the
>>>> >>>>> expertise
>>>> >>>>>>> to do
>>>> >>>>>>> these sorts of things...
>>>> >>>>>>> PG
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>> >>>>>>> [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of David Daniel Preiss Contreras
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:12 PM
>>>> >>>>>>> To: 'xmca@weber.ucsd.edu'
>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: [xmca] Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> A secular way to help, from the site of
>>>> >>>>> www.lsu.edu <http://www.lsu.edu> <http://www.lsu.edu><
>>>> http://www.lsu.edu>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> David
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina has had a terrible effect on our state and
>>>> >>>>> there are
>>>> >>>>>> many
>>>> >>>>>>> LSU students from South Louisiana who could use your help in
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>> time of
>>>> >>>>>>> need. The LSU Foundation's Hurricane Katrina - LSU Student
>>>> Relief
>>>> >>>>>>> Fund
>>>> >>>>>> was
>>>> >>>>>>> created in response to the far-reaching damage caused by
>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane
>>>> >>>>>> Katrina,
>>>> >>>>>>> and all donations to this fund will directly assist students
>>>> >>>>>>> whose
>>>> >>>>>>> lives
>>>> >>>>>>> have been greatly affected by the storm.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> To give to the relief fund by credit card, simply fill out the
>>>> >>>>>>> information
>>>> >>>>>>> here. If you would like to donate by check, please make the
>>>> check
>>>> >>>>>>> payable
>>>> >>>>>>> to the LSU Foundation and indicate on the check that it is
>>>> >>>>> intended
>>>> >>>>>>> for
>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>> LSU Student Relief Fund. You can mail your check to:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hurricane Katrina-LSU Student Relief Fund
>>>> >>>>>>> c/o LSU Foundation
>>>> >>>>>>> 3838 W. Lakeshore Dr.
>>>> >>>>>>> Baton Rouge , LA 70808
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for giving to the LSU Student Relief Fund, and, as
>>>> >>>>> always,
>>>> >>>>>>> thank
>>>> >>>>>>> you for all you do for LSU.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> David D. Preiss
>>>> >>>>>>> home page: http://pantheon.yale.edu/~ddp6/
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>>>> >> Shirley Franklin
>>>> >> St Martin's College,
>>>> >> Tower Hamlets PDC,
>>>> >> English Street,
>>>> >> London
>>>> >> E3 4TA
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