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RE: Civil War vs Election
Title: Mensaje
"Their
personal financial interests"?
I
don't see jews as such homogeneous group, Peter.
Would
WASP americans vote republican to protect "their personal financial interests",
then?
David
-----Mensaje original-----
De:
Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]
Enviado el: Thursday,
November 11, 2004 4:19 PM
Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Asunto:
RE: Civil War vs Election
I
have read this either in recent columns by Thomas Friedman (NY Times) or Jay
Bookman (Atlanta Journal-Constitution). .....dang, can't find it on the web.
But as I recall Jews vote something like 70% democratic, even though doing so
works against their personal financial interests. p
At 01:50 PM
11/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Peter, do you have a source for your statement that Jews vote(d)
overwhelmingly democratic? i am assuming that the statistical picture would
be more complex -- & show, for instance, perhaps, a generational, if not
occupational, divide... Some of the neocons who shaped the international
policies of this administration were once left-y Jews (Wolfowitz &??)...
They used their old Idealism (things CAN be different) in the service of (?)
adult ego-centrism (?) (i.e., the world would be a better place if it
behaved and thought like us) to design US imperialism.
Well, I'm uneasy about sending this off, but in the spirit of
Veterans Day and trouble-making, I will....
Judy
- -----Original Message-----
- From: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]
- Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:36 PM
- To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
- Subject: RE: Civil War vs Election
- I'm sure there are many factors. Florida is also home to many
Jews (who vote overwhelmingly Democratic) and African Americans (also
Dems) and many other relocators from the north. I doubt if I'm really
qualified to make sense of it....p
- At 01:57 PM 11/11/2004 -0300, you wrote:
- Yes, that was what I realized. But I was wondering whether there was
something else and what was the relation between neo-conservadurism and
the old slave traditions. On the other hand, the South is voting
Republican since a long time ago. In addition, in some cases, such as
Florida, the relation is not straightforward, I guess, since it is
linked with the political behavior of the Hispanics and Cuban politics.
In short, even though there is a relation, I wondered about its nature
and local peculiarities.
-
- David Preiss, M.Phil.
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- -----Mensaje original-----
- De: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]
- Enviado el: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:30 PM
- Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
- Asunto: RE: Civil War vs Election
- only simply right now (I've got a manuscript review to complete):
the maps overlap to suggest that a great deal of Bush's support comes
from states that once advocated slavery (and where the vestiges of
slavery are still evident in housing segregation, economic disparities,
etc.). Not a very hopeful sign in these times. p
- At 12:07 PM 11/11/2004 -0300, you wrote:
- This map is worth discussing.
- Beyond the descriptive coincidences, how would you put the match
in a narrative framework, Peter?
- David Preiss, M.Phil.
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- -----Mensaje original-----
- De: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@coe.uga.edu]
- Enviado el: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:51 AM
- Para: Recipient list suppressed
- Asunto: Fwd: Civil War vs Election