where I stand -- opposed to 2-dimensional schemas & very much in agreement
with the article Nate linked to,
http://www.isreview.org/issues/33/dems&war.shtml
with one caveat: phrases like "supported the war on terror," when used to
indicate U.S. imperialism, can confound what might be the better response to
9/11. Once again, a simple negative (i.e., "did not support a war on
terror") does not get us very far
(Notice that I did not say, as was my first impulse, 'gets us nowhere' --
instead, in the spirit of anti-2-dimensionalism, I made a feeble effort
exploit the limited resources of the English language for qualifying my
claim -- one would not want to support terrorism OR war -- at least in
principle -- or not under present circumstances -- or only under certain of
existing circumstances....?)
THAT said, I do think that political party differences will matter to U.S.
domestic policies AND to our international relations, even if they won't end
our imperialism.
Judy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Preiss [mailto:david.preiss@yale.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:43 AM
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: re internet and politics
>
>
> I guess I share these views. I don't think even the State reaction to 9/11
> would have been the same. How can so similar things be so different?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John St. Julien" <john@johnstjulien.com>
> To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:17 AM
> Subject: Re: re internet and politics
>
>
> > I am pretty sure I have heard this purity argument before. Recently.
> > Where was that? When was that?....
> >
> > I'd bet few really believe that if Gore were president we'd be
> > occupying Iraq following a war of naked aggression.
> >
> > Who stayed home rather than sully themselves? Who voted for the purer
> choice?
> >
> > That could of worked out better.
> >
> > ---Sorry to be so far off the usual list focus and mood but .... I
> > keeping on thinking history teaches. It must be the silly social
> > studies teacher in me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Well if your talking about Donald Rumsfield (he looks more like a
> > >mouse though), I'm sure some NeoCons will join you.
> > >
> > >Part of me finds Dean's "message" attractive, but the problem is his
> > >practice does not correlate. For example, he talks about health
> > >care, but the plan is to the right of Clinton's. He is anti Iraq War
> > >2, but does not support getting out. He has continually received
> > >great ratings from the NRA. His views from gay rights onward take a
> > >strong state rights perspective.
> > >
> > >As far as Political Compass, I have found it accurate after people
> > >get used to the idea. I think its important that in the "anybody but
> > >Bush" movement most the candidates fall into the authoritarian
> > >Right quadrant.
> > >
> > >Judy, whoever the Dem candidate is you can be guaranteed, he will
> > >move much farther to the right. I find myself wondering if Bore Gore
> > >were Prez, what specifically would be different? My guess is not
> > >much of substance.
> > >
> > >Personally, Kucinich is the only candidate that's worth the symbolic
> > >act of voting. At least it could be done with a clear conscience and
> > >outside the authoritarian right quadrant.
> > >
> > >The ISR had a very interesting article on The Other War Party, which
> > >traces the history of the NeoCons from the Democratic Party onward.
> > >
> > >http://www.isreview.org/issues/33/dems&war.shtml
> > >
> > >N***
> > >
> > >
> > >Judy Diamondstone wrote:
> > >
> > >>I can sympathize with those who are looking for 'the great
> liberal hope'
> who
> > >>feel disappointed with Dean, but I can't accept the relative
> ranking on
> the
> > >>"political compass' website. Dean attracted a lot of
> independent voters,
> > >>because he came off as less ideological & more pragmatic than the
> others. As
> > >>for Kerry's status as 'most liberal' of the lot, here's a video I
> received
> > >>(from a Dean supporter):
> > >>
> > >>http://www.idiomstudio.com/mypov.htm
> > >>
> > >>I would vote for Donald Duck if he were the only one opposing george
> w. -
> > >>but how many others would join me?
> > >>
> > >>Judy
> > >>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: N*** [mailto:vygotsky who-is-at nateweb.info]
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:49 PM
> > >>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>All he needed to do was tear off his shirt and start kicking
> someone in
> > >>>the face.
> > >>>
> > >>>Funny thing is "working class" is not what comes to my mind
> with Dean.
> > >>>Very few core supporters tend to be "working class" or minorities for
> > >>>that matter.
> > >>>
> > >>>I find it kind of ironic that he is held out as the "great liberal
> hope"
> > >>>since his views are quite right of center. Political Compass
> > >>>http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/usprimaries.html has
> > >>> an interesting graph highlighting where the Dems are politically.
> > >>>Sadly, most are bunched right near Bush.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Eugene Matusov wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Dear everybody-
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Dean's infamous yeargh speech after his somewhat poor
> > >>>
> > >>>performance in Iowa
> > >>>
> > >>>>reminded me wrestling. Thanks to my son, I had to watch
> wrestling for
> > >>>>several years. Maybe because of this experience, I was not
> > >>>
> > >>>alienated by his
> > >>>
> > >>>>macho yeargh. He sounded like a wrestler, like Rick Flair (for those
> who
> > >>>>knows him). I wonder if people who watch wrestling have similar
> > >>>
> > >>>feelings...
> > >>>
> > >>>>Dean's yeargh, like wrestling, has gender and class flavor (back to
> our
> > >>>>discussion of emotions)... It is very working class male yeargh...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>What do you think?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Eugene
> > >>>>PS Several years ago my son designed a website for kids from
> > >>>
> > >>>Latin American
> > >>>
> > >>>>Center where I work. The site has been inactive for long time
> > >>>
> > >>>by now but you
> > >>>
> > >>>>may find a spirit of wrestling it captures...
> > >>>>http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/kids.web/wrestling_welcome_page.htm
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>From: Bill Barowy [mailto:wbarowy@attbi.com]
> > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:46 PM
> > >>>>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>On Saturday 24 January 2004 9:18 pm, N*** wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>exactly like it, I think I might settle on calling it "yeargh".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I thought it was my New England ear, but after listening
> carefully, I
> > >>>>
> > >>>>think
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>your spelling is better. I don't see the mp3 collection as a new
> > >>>>
> > >>>>phenomenon
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>-- creative mixes go back even further than the birth of
> techno, and
> as
> > >>>>
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>hosting website proclaims, the mixes don't necessarily
> diss, but show
> an
> > >>>>>understanding of the personality as human. It's an
> > >>>
> > >>>enlightening website.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>Thanks to David!
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > Land Line: (337) 269-0150
> > Cell Phone: (337) 739-6118
> >
> > john@johnstjulien.com
>
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