Well if your talking about Donald Rumsfield (he looks more like a mouse
though), I'm sure some NeoCons will join you.
Part of me finds Dean's "message" attractive, but the problem is his
practice does not correlate. For example, he talks about health care,
but the plan is to the right of Clinton's. He is anti Iraq War 2, but
does not support getting out. He has continually received great ratings
from the NRA. His views from gay rights onward take a strong state
rights perspective.
As far as Political Compass, I have found it accurate after people get
used to the idea. I think its important that in the "anybody but Bush"
movement most the candidates fall into the authoritarian Right quadrant.
Judy, whoever the Dem candidate is you can be guaranteed, he will move
much farther to the right. I find myself wondering if Bore Gore were
Prez, what specifically would be different? My guess is not much of
substance.
Personally, Kucinich is the only candidate that's worth the symbolic
act of voting. At least it could be done with a clear conscience and
outside the authoritarian right quadrant.
The ISR had a very interesting article on The Other War Party, which
traces the history of the NeoCons from the Democratic Party onward.
http://www.isreview.org/issues/33/dems&war.shtml
N***
Judy Diamondstone wrote:
> I can sympathize with those who are looking for 'the great liberal hope' who
> feel disappointed with Dean, but I can't accept the relative ranking on the
> "political compass' website. Dean attracted a lot of independent voters,
> because he came off as less ideological & more pragmatic than the others. As
> for Kerry's status as 'most liberal' of the lot, here's a video I received
> (from a Dean supporter):
>
> http://www.idiomstudio.com/mypov.htm
>
> I would vote for Donald Duck if he were the only one opposing george w. -
> but how many others would join me?
>
> Judy
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: N*** [mailto:vygotsky who-is-at nateweb.info]
>>Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:49 PM
>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
>>
>>
>>All he needed to do was tear off his shirt and start kicking someone in
>>the face.
>>
>>Funny thing is "working class" is not what comes to my mind with Dean.
>>Very few core supporters tend to be "working class" or minorities for
>>that matter.
>>
>>I find it kind of ironic that he is held out as the "great liberal hope"
>>since his views are quite right of center. Political Compass
>>http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/usprimaries.html has
>> an interesting graph highlighting where the Dems are politically.
>>Sadly, most are bunched right near Bush.
>>
>>
>>Eugene Matusov wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dear everybody-
>>>
>>>Dean's infamous yeargh speech after his somewhat poor
>>
>>performance in Iowa
>>
>>>reminded me wrestling. Thanks to my son, I had to watch wrestling for
>>>several years. Maybe because of this experience, I was not
>>
>>alienated by his
>>
>>>macho yeargh. He sounded like a wrestler, like Rick Flair (for those who
>>>knows him). I wonder if people who watch wrestling have similar
>>
>>feelings...
>>
>>>Dean's yeargh, like wrestling, has gender and class flavor (back to our
>>>discussion of emotions)... It is very working class male yeargh...
>>>
>>>What do you think?
>>>
>>>Eugene
>>>PS Several years ago my son designed a website for kids from
>>
>>Latin American
>>
>>>Center where I work. The site has been inactive for long time
>>
>>by now but you
>>
>>>may find a spirit of wrestling it captures...
>>>http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/kids.web/wrestling_welcome_page.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Bill Barowy [mailto:wbarowy@attbi.com]
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:46 PM
>>>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
>>>>
>>>>On Saturday 24 January 2004 9:18 pm, N*** wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>exactly like it, I think I might settle on calling it "yeargh".
>>>>
>>>>I thought it was my New England ear, but after listening carefully, I
>>>
>>>think
>>>
>>>
>>>>your spelling is better. I don't see the mp3 collection as a new
>>>
>>>phenomenon
>>>
>>>
>>>>-- creative mixes go back even further than the birth of techno, and as
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>hosting website proclaims, the mixes don't necessarily diss, but show an
>>>>understanding of the personality as human. It's an
>>
>>enlightening website.
>>
>>>>Thanks to David!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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