Eva, Mike, Nate, Donald, Bruce and Eric,
Excuse me for delaying in answering to your kind mails but I was absent for
a couple of days.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eva Ekeblad <eva.ekeblad@goteborg.utfors.se>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: reading Laszlo's paper
> I would heartily encourage the list to return to the thread about *Crisis
> in Psychology* - I think it can nicely coexist with the other current
> threads. So those of you who contributed to that thread previously, might
> you join in again? And Laszlo: it might be a good move if you, yourself,
> pointed the list to what is, for you, the most important point that you
> would like to bring under discussion.
For me the main point is the problem of a split psychology resulting in that science's most long-lasting crisis.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 6:30 PM
> -- I like Eva's suggestion re reading of Laszlo's paper in conjunction with
> the whole notion of a crisis in psychology, becuase so far as I can tell,
> that crisis remains in full force today as it did 75 years ago when it was
> written about by Vygotsky, Buhler, and others.
I haven't made so bold as to count it up in those frightening concret figures but surely it has been shockingly long-lasting and it resulted from the psychology being split into two hemi-sciences with the actual logical imperialism of natural sciences' positivist paradigm and a potential logical imperialism of historical sciences' hermeneutic paradigm.
Now, Vygotsky not only diagnosed the crisis but also treated for it the psychology anchoring this science's object both to brain and the culture.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:43 AM
> And now Laszlo invites us to consider the
> crisis in psychology and what that has to do with the Vygotsky boom, and
> maybe some readings in German critical psychology. And who knows, maybe even
> a little bit better organized systems for interacting in.
Mike, as to me, you may absolutely be right. The matter is, that I don't speak German while speaking French and therefore (and probably only therefore) when we came along (in 70's) with these Vygotskian ideas I hade close contacts (besides the Russian Vygotskian, of course: Leontiev, Luria, Galperine, Davydov) with the group of Althusssarians (Pecheux, Plon, Paul Henry) without having any contacts with Holzkamp.
----- Original Message -----
From: MnFamilyMan@aol.com
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:41 AM
Subject: Vygotsky's Crisis
I came across Vygotsky's Crisis. When I read how fed up he
was with theoretical thought that wasn't relevant to sound psychological
practice I was astounded at how fresh his words rang for the crisis that is
present in America's schools.
You mean present presently, don't you?
----- Original Message -----
From: Eva Ekeblad <eva.ekeblad@goteborg.utfors.se>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: crisis/crises
> Not to pour sugar in the petrol tank, but mightn't it be appropriate to
> discuss the paper offered by Laszlo -
> *Another crisis in the psychology*
> http://www.jate.u-szeged.hu/~garai/Vygotskyboom.htm
>
> - as a preliminary to the discussion of Vygotsky's *Crisis* that was born
> from Mike's fruitful misreading of my previous posting of the URL for
> Laszlo's paper.
Eva, thanks. But as to this point
> Vygotsky is dead,
I may not aggree with you. When reading him, I start to somehow belive in the other-worldly life.
> and will thus not be able to enjoy our discussion
You never can tell with Vygotsky - to put it in terms of Winnie-the-Pooh.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:11 PM
Subject: Laszlo's comments on crises
>
> I like the punch line: The international Vygotsky boom seems to be motivated by psychology's "unconscious desire" to recover
> his unity without being compelled to sacrifice for it either the insights developed by psychology as a
> natural science, or those whose development was that long obstructed by such a science.
It is abcolutely exactly what we were to say and
> By that time, psychology's unconscious desire,
> if it was that, had become my conscious goal, as expressed in *Cultural
> Psychology* and multiple screenful's of xmca.
for me it has been the most solid basis of my professional friendship with you, Mike.
> So Laszlo's remembering, and the fact that he could bridge things to a 1976 meeting
even to 1966, hélas! However, I have no personal remembering yet with the eary stade of that 75 years crisis of Vygotsky, thank heaven.
Anyhow:
> I will be interested to see how those members of xmca who know nothing of
> the events Laszlo recounts react to his article......
me, too!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:58 PM
Subject: schedule
>
> I assume that right now we are reading and commenting on mike rose's article
> and Laszlo's article. Any schedule for reading of vygotsky's "crisis" is ok
> with me. Am I correct that Andy and Phil will be two of the discussion leaders?
> And the third will be.....? How about you, Laszlo?
> mike
Untill early September it is OK. Between 5 and 18 September I may be in Nice. After 19 OK, too.
Regards
Laszlo
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