Thanks,
Me too.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Judith Diamondstone <diamonju@rci.rutgers.edu>
Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Data: Sexta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2001 10:53
Assunto: Re: levels
>Ricardo -- i was referring to chimpanzees. Interesting notion that rules
>are involved when, for instance, dogs play with one another. I'll have to
>think about that....
>
>Judy
>
>
>At 12:16 AM 7/6/01 -0300, you wrote:
>>Would you please, Judge, tell me what chimps is/are? Pretend play?
>>
>>According to Vygotsky any play has rules, even pretend play - although
rules
>>implicit to an imaginary situation.
>>
>>-----Mensagem original-----
>>De: Judith Diamondstone <diamonju@rci.rutgers.edu>
>>Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>Data: Quinta-feira, 5 de Julho de 2001 21:54
>>Assunto: Re: levels
>>
>>
>>>Hi, Bill -- Thanks for making a connection between Mike's interest in
>>>Thibault & Ana's in play. Like Ana, I'm interested in play as
>>>proto-languaging and as proto-activity. (Chimps, of course, play, though
>>>not with rules, and I think they don't as easily mistake their play for
>>>serious business as we do.) Theories of cultural development would be
>>>woefully inadequate without an account of play, performance, make
believe,
>>>at the level of culture.
>>>
>>>I loved the Thibault article; it pulled so much together for me. I regret
>>>that I can't write a more in-depth response at the moment.
>>>
>>>Judy
>>>
>>>/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>Ana's reference to Bateson anplay is a wonderful insight, having read
>>>Mike's plea for the bigger picture. "this is play" communicates to frame
>>>an activity
>>>>among participants. What this o(what we are communicating now arouind
>>>Thibault)
>>>>seems to be about is just that (that being Mike's and Ana's ideas
>>>combined) --
>>>>finding an interpretive frame for observing and thinking about human
>>>>interaction.
>>>>
>>>>I complained about using spatial metaphors and suffering their excess
>>>semiotic
>>>>baggage - levels implies hierarchy (especially, as B&G might argue is a
>>>>phenomenon of capitalist society), but then there are layers, channels
and
>>>>dimensions, all of which can go on in parallel and mutual influence,
i.e.
>>>>bidirectional causality.
>>>>
>>>>Mike seems to say bio-evo-psychologists are playing a bigger game, and
he
>>>>doesn't want chat'ers excluded from it.
>>>>
>>>>How to take phylogeny into account for chat studies? Eeek! Tongue in
>>cheek,
>>>>does it not belong to the generations of researchers to follow? Is
this
>>too
>>>>much to bite off?
>>>>
>>>>Although it makes sense, I am clueless.
>>>>
>>>>bb
>>>>
>>>>=====
>>>>"One of life's quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart from
yourself
>>>and watch yourself softly become the author of something beautiful."
>>>>[Norman Maclean in "A river runs through it."]
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>
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