Jan,
Where is the collection on Ilyenkov available. I searched on line book
stores (B&N, Amazon) with no success.
Paul H. Dillon
----- Original Message -----
From: jan derry <j_derry@hotmail.com>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: some refs
> Nate, Thanks - but just a correction. I didn't edit the book on Ilyenkov.
I
> attended the Ilyenkov symposium arranged by the Institute of Philosophy,
the
> Center for Activity Theory and Developmental Work Research, and the
> Alexander Institute at the University of Helsinki and wrote a piece for
the
> book after. The book -Evald Ilyenkov's Philosophy Revisited- is actually
> edited by Vesa Oittinen. Thanks to XMCA, I learnt about the symposium via
a
> posting by Yrjo Engestrom last summer.
>
> We (Birmingham) are very interested in the reading of Leontiev's work. We
> are not sure of the extent of our involvement, as our Centre has two large
> research projects starting in September. At the moment we don't have the
> text, so our involvement will depend on availability of the text and
timing.
> Jan
>
>
> Jan Derry
> www.edu.bham.ac.uk/SAT/Derry.html
>
>
>
> >From: "Nate Schmolze" <nate_schmolze@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: <schmolze1@home.com>
> >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Subject: RE: some refs
> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:54:52 -0500
> >
> >
> >Paul,
> >
> >I assume this was not intended as a public message, but either way, I
have
> >a
> >difficult time understanding how such a framing sets a useful frame in
> >which
> >to discuss the book. I do hope the discussion of the book is not with
the
> >objective to have a battle for the soul of activity theory - whatever
that
> >may be. It feels to me as world war 3 is about to start with attempts to
> >draw a battleline.
> >
> >This is not how I see the book. I think with the interest that has been
> >expressed it can serve as a "boundary object" of sorts in which members
> >from
> >a variety of theoretical frameworks will find the book engaging and
> >pertinent to their work. The goal of getting others involved from Europe
is
> >the opposite as you portray. If anything there is more of a point of
> >emphasizing the importance of Marx in academic writings. We recently
> >received a message from Jan who edited a book on Ilyenkov who is part of
> >the
> >Birmingham group we are attempting to get involved in this project. This
is
> >about collaboration and realizing that other players are interested in
such
> >a project such as those in Finland and Birmingham who are currently
> >applying
> >some of these ideas. I would assume that since a lot of this work is not
> >freely available in the states, and it has implications to your own work
> >you
> >recently shared, you would be more receptive with attempts at getting
more
> >parties involved.
> >
> >
> >Nate
> >
> > who-is-at @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >
> >Nate Schmolze
> >http://members.home.net/schmolze1/
> >schmolze1@home.com
> >
> > who-is-at @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H.Dillon [mailto:illonph@pacbell.net]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:23 AM
> >To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >Subject: Re: some refs
> >
> >
> >Andy,
> >
> >Hi.
> >
> >Ilyenkov's "Problem of the Ideal" isn't a book, it's one of the essays
> >included in another Progress Publishers book titled: Philosophy In the
> >USSR: Problems of Dialectical Materialism. This is only a partial
> >translation of the original. We are going to try Pete Jones for a
possible
> >copy. Nate says there isn't much of a problem with copyright issues.I'm
> >very impressed by Nate's contribution since he discovered your site and
the
> >MIA.
> >
> >I hope you'll be a strong contributor if this discussion of Leont'ev ever
> >gets off the ground. It is so interesting to me that Cole takes the
> >proposal to discuss this work so seriously. My feeling is that he knows
> >that Leont'ev is the real thing, not just this or that secondary work,
and
> >that it undermines a lot of the US academic interpretations of activity
> >theory, internalization, agency, etc. His "stalling" seems to suggest
that
> >either (a) he really wants to ensure that the participants "internalize"
> >it
> >as much as possible (optimistic) or (b) he recognizes that the
dialectical
> >materialist basis of activity theory -- and the derivative CHAT -- is so
> >totally apparent in the Leont'ev work that he wants to ensure the
> >participation of enough "big names" as to dominate the interpretative
> >process, pull the teeth out of the work, and thereby maintain room for
> >continuing the dalliance with the post-modernist neo-Kantians and other
> >bourgeois ideologues who dominate xmca (pessimistic). The latter of
course
> >akin to Freud's conscious/unconscious censor!!!
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Andy Blunden <a.blunden@pb.unimelb.edu.au>
> >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:11 PM
> >Subject: Re: some refs
> >
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > I would be delighted to put up any Ilyenkov material at all I can get
> >hold
> > > of. I still have 100 pages or so of his book on Positivism to scan,
but
> > > that can wait. I have never seen this book on the concept of the
Ideal.
> > > Ilyenkov is the most frequently commented on and appreciated author
> >(apart
> > > from Hegel) that I have archived.
> > >
> > > The simple problem is - Ilyenkov is unavailable in Australia so far as
I
> > > know. If I am going to put any more Ilyenkov up on the MIA site I need
> >help
> > > in finding the appropriate texts.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > PS: I would love to see the Leontyev text we are going to discuss on
the
> > > MIA as well, Nate is the director of the Leontyev archive. I don't
know
> > > what the copyright situation might be for it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:26 23/08/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >mike,
> > > >
> > > >I'm looking into the feasibility of putting up the Bakhurst passages.
> > > >
> > > >The book is "Consciousness and Revolution in Soviet Philosophy: From
> >the
> > > >Bolsheviks to Evald Ilyenkov". Cambridge University Press. 1991.
> > > >
> > > >Ch. 3 is devoted to a discussion of Vygotsky with attention to the
> >question
> > > >of "internalization" (ZPD not really at issue here). The theme of
the
> >book
> > > >is Evald Ilyenkov's reworking of dialectical materialist theory with
> >special
> > > >attention to "the problem of the ideal."
> > > >
> > > >A lot of Ilyenkov at
http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/index.htm
> >but
> > > >one of the works that Bakhurst cites frequently is "The Concept of
the
> > > >Ideal" but I have been unable to locate it. Andy, any chance of
> >getting
> > > >that up on the Ilyenkov page??
> > > >
> > > >Paul H. Dillon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:24 AM
> > > >Subject: some refs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Paul-- Could you post a couple of key refs of works you are drawing
> > > >> on, and where possible, parts of things. I am thinking of Bakhurst
> > > >> on Vygotsky on units of anlaysis, for example. If its at all
possible
> > > >> to scan key passages and post them to xmca, it would greatly
broaden
> > > >> potential participation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Still waiting to hear from our Nordic neighbors.
> > > >> mike
> > > >>
> > > >
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