Nate, Thanks - but just a correction. I didn’t edit the book on Ilyenkov. I
attended the Ilyenkov symposium arranged by the Institute of Philosophy, the
Center for Activity Theory and Developmental Work Research, and the
Alexander Institute at the University of Helsinki and wrote a piece for the
book after. The book -Evald Ilyenkov’s Philosophy Revisited- is actually
edited by Vesa Oittinen. Thanks to XMCA, I learnt about the symposium via a
posting by Yrjo Engestrom last summer.
We (Birmingham) are very interested in the reading of Leontiev’s work. We
are not sure of the extent of our involvement, as our Centre has two large
research projects starting in September. At the moment we don’t have the
text, so our involvement will depend on availability of the text and timing.
Jan
Jan Derry
www.edu.bham.ac.uk/SAT/Derry.html
>From: "Nate Schmolze" <nate_schmolze@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: <schmolze1@home.com>
>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: RE: some refs
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:54:52 -0500
>
>
>Paul,
>
>I assume this was not intended as a public message, but either way, I have
>a
>difficult time understanding how such a framing sets a useful frame in
>which
>to discuss the book. I do hope the discussion of the book is not with the
>objective to have a battle for the soul of activity theory - whatever that
>may be. It feels to me as world war 3 is about to start with attempts to
>draw a battleline.
>
>This is not how I see the book. I think with the interest that has been
>expressed it can serve as a "boundary object" of sorts in which members
>from
>a variety of theoretical frameworks will find the book engaging and
>pertinent to their work. The goal of getting others involved from Europe is
>the opposite as you portray. If anything there is more of a point of
>emphasizing the importance of Marx in academic writings. We recently
>received a message from Jan who edited a book on Ilyenkov who is part of
>the
>Birmingham group we are attempting to get involved in this project. This is
>about collaboration and realizing that other players are interested in such
>a project such as those in Finland and Birmingham who are currently
>applying
>some of these ideas. I would assume that since a lot of this work is not
>freely available in the states, and it has implications to your own work
>you
>recently shared, you would be more receptive with attempts at getting more
>parties involved.
>
>
>Nate
>
> who-is-at @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
>Nate Schmolze
>http://members.home.net/schmolze1/
>schmolze1@home.com
>
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul H.Dillon [mailto:illonph@pacbell.net]
>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:23 AM
>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: some refs
>
>
>Andy,
>
>Hi.
>
>Ilyenkov's "Problem of the Ideal" isn't a book, it's one of the essays
>included in another Progress Publishers book titled: Philosophy In the
>USSR: Problems of Dialectical Materialism. This is only a partial
>translation of the original. We are going to try Pete Jones for a possible
>copy. Nate says there isn't much of a problem with copyright issues.I'm
>very impressed by Nate's contribution since he discovered your site and the
>MIA.
>
>I hope you'll be a strong contributor if this discussion of Leont'ev ever
>gets off the ground. It is so interesting to me that Cole takes the
>proposal to discuss this work so seriously. My feeling is that he knows
>that Leont'ev is the real thing, not just this or that secondary work, and
>that it undermines a lot of the US academic interpretations of activity
>theory, internalization, agency, etc. His "stalling" seems to suggest that
>either (a) he really wants to ensure that the participants "internalize"
>it
>as much as possible (optimistic) or (b) he recognizes that the dialectical
>materialist basis of activity theory -- and the derivative CHAT -- is so
>totally apparent in the Leont'ev work that he wants to ensure the
>participation of enough "big names" as to dominate the interpretative
>process, pull the teeth out of the work, and thereby maintain room for
>continuing the dalliance with the post-modernist neo-Kantians and other
>bourgeois ideologues who dominate xmca (pessimistic). The latter of course
>akin to Freud's conscious/unconscious censor!!!
>
>Take care,
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Andy Blunden <a.blunden@pb.unimelb.edu.au>
>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:11 PM
>Subject: Re: some refs
>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > I would be delighted to put up any Ilyenkov material at all I can get
>hold
> > of. I still have 100 pages or so of his book on Positivism to scan, but
> > that can wait. I have never seen this book on the concept of the Ideal.
> > Ilyenkov is the most frequently commented on and appreciated author
>(apart
> > from Hegel) that I have archived.
> >
> > The simple problem is - Ilyenkov is unavailable in Australia so far as I
> > know. If I am going to put any more Ilyenkov up on the MIA site I need
>help
> > in finding the appropriate texts.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > PS: I would love to see the Leontyev text we are going to discuss on the
> > MIA as well, Nate is the director of the Leontyev archive. I don't know
> > what the copyright situation might be for it.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:26 23/08/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > >mike,
> > >
> > >I'm looking into the feasibility of putting up the Bakhurst passages.
> > >
> > >The book is "Consciousness and Revolution in Soviet Philosophy: From
>the
> > >Bolsheviks to Evald Ilyenkov". Cambridge University Press. 1991.
> > >
> > >Ch. 3 is devoted to a discussion of Vygotsky with attention to the
>question
> > >of "internalization" (ZPD not really at issue here). The theme of the
>book
> > >is Evald Ilyenkov's reworking of dialectical materialist theory with
>special
> > >attention to "the problem of the ideal."
> > >
> > >A lot of Ilyenkov at http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/index.htm
>but
> > >one of the works that Bakhurst cites frequently is "The Concept of the
> > >Ideal" but I have been unable to locate it. Andy, any chance of
>getting
> > >that up on the Ilyenkov page??
> > >
> > >Paul H. Dillon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:24 AM
> > >Subject: some refs
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Paul-- Could you post a couple of key refs of works you are drawing
> > >> on, and where possible, parts of things. I am thinking of Bakhurst
> > >> on Vygotsky on units of anlaysis, for example. If its at all possible
> > >> to scan key passages and post them to xmca, it would greatly broaden
> > >> potential participation.
> > >>
> > >> Still waiting to hear from our Nordic neighbors.
> > >> mike
> > >>
> > >
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> > * http://home.mira.net/~andy/
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> >
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