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Subject: Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:32:31 +0100
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Thanks, Robert.

On 24 July 2013 17:01, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu> wrote:

> Hi Huw,
> You might want to look at Damasio's work a little.
> Of course I don't agree with him completely but
> he and Kaiser are doing some interesting work
> with brain imaging and education.
> Here is one sample from 9 years ago.
> http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/learning/learning003a.html
>
> Robert
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On 24 July 2013 16:45, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 July 2013 16:35, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Huw,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the indications. Any "recent" (10 years or so)  research
> > >> dealing with the data made available by the knew scan technologies?
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Wagner
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Nothing that I've come across.  I haven't expected to find anything
> > > though, so haven't looked with any diligence.
> > >
> > > Christine had some thoughts on biological developments a while back.
> > >
> > > *ANY* studies on genetic process are of merit here, I believe. it
> doesn't
> > > have to be the brain.  Note that this is looking at "natural phenomena"
> > > rather than artificial phenomena alone.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Huw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dynamic Systems Theory may be worth exploring -- I haven't looked yet.
> >
> > Travieso, Ch. 6, The Cambridge Handbook of Socialcultural Psychology,
> (Eds)
> > Valsiner & Rosa.
> >
> > Best,
> > Huw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Huw Lloyd <
> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > On 24 July 2013 16:23, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Thanks Ulvi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Any work you recommend for beginner's and or a must have/read in
> the
> > >> >> library?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am trying to get a broader sense of human development using
> > Vygotsky
> > >> >> as core and searching for recent readings in different fields like
> > >> >> Philosophy (Ilyenkov) and History (People's history of the world by
> > >> >> Chris Harman), But still lacking a clue on "phylogeny" and
> > >> >> neuroscience.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Wertsch, Vygotsky and the formation of mind -- genetic domains.
> > >> > Waddington, Genetic Assimilation.
> > >> > Batson, genetic/ecological processes.
> > >> >
> > >> > The recent documents from Luria cover some "basics" which are
> > typically
> > >> > missed in this line of research.  Luria's research is predominantly
> > >> > functional (of a v. high calibre).  It seems to be dialectic in an
> > >> Engels
> > >> > kind of way.  But the functional explanations stand up for
> themselves.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best,
> > >> > Huw
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Wagner
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> > As far as I know, there is a strong neuroscience in Russia in the
> > >> line of
> > >> >> > Alexander Romanovitch's work, Homskaya and his many other
> students
> > >> >> > continued his work a lot.
> > >> >> > Ulvi
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > 2013/7/24 Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Hello Huw,
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our
> > >> research
> > >> >> >> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our
> > >> research
> > >> >> >> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from
> > >> 1930...
> > >> >> >> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year
> > (if I
> > >> >> >> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking
> between
> > >> >> >> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little
> about
> > >> >> >> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian
> > >> >> >> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria?
> > And
> > >> >> >> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience
> following
> > >> >> >> these guidelines?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Wagner
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <
> > >> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <
> > >> wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> Hello Larry,
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things
> > >> point out
> > >> >> >> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course
> in
> > >> 1930
> > >> >> >> >> (if my memory is not wrong)
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Wagner
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the
> concept
> > of
> > >> >> >> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a
> splendid
> > >> >> >> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real
> complex
> > >> >> >> > relationships that exist."
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most
> > >> >> difficult
> > >> >> >> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Huw
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <
> > >> lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> > Ulvi,
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Within the concept  *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero
> > change.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose
> > central
> > >> >> >> conceptual
> > >> >> >> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold  or
> > to
> > >> >> model.*
> > >> >> >> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and
> > *theory*
> > >> and
> > >> >> >> >> *neural*
> > >> >> >> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as
> > change,
> > >> >> >> >> > transformation and metamorphosis.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including
> > >> Vygotsky
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.
> > >> >> >> >> > If interested I could say more.
> > >> >> >> >> > Larry
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <
> > >> ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard,
> > >> Mind,
> > >> >> Brain
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> >> Education.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> He is described as:
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian
> > >> theories in
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> number
> > >> >> >> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains
> cognitive
> > >> >> change.
> > >> >> >> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation
> > of
> > >> >> >> >> information
> > >> >> >> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the
> > >> >> >> environmental
> > >> >> >> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of
> > >> >> development.
> > >> >> >> To
> > >> >> >> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic
> notions
> > >> from
> > >> >> Lev
> > >> >> >> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12
> > >> >> >> >> >> >that
> > >> >> >> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new
> > findings
> > >> in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> field
> > >> >> >> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice
> of
> > >> >> >> education.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> Ulvi
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on
> > this
> > >> >> list
> > >> >> >> can
> > >> >> >> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on
> > >> >> neuroscience,
> > >> >> >> but
> > >> >> >> >> in:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Barsalou, L. W. (1992) “Cognitive Psychology. An
> Overview
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> >> Cognitive
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Scientists,” Hillsdale NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > where he has a chapter on education, he characterises
> > >> education
> > >> >> as:
> > >> >> >> >> >> > “teachers provide information that students incorporate
> > into
> > >> >> >> existing
> > >> >> >> >> >> > knowledge” - in other words, not only does he use "folk
> > >> >> >> psychology" in
> > >> >> >> >> >> his
> > >> >> >> >> >> > grasp of the subtlties of education, but he seems to be
> > >> unaware
> > >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> >> this
> > >> >> >> >> >> > antiquated "theory" of teaching and learning has been
> > >> subject to
> > >> >> >> any
> > >> >> >> >> >> > critique over the past 100 years. A classic illustration
> > of
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> >> problem
> > >> >> >> >> >> > that Greg has been raising.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Andy
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Ulvi İçil wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear all,
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I would like to know some outstanding scholar names in
> > the
> > >> >> field
> > >> >> >> of
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> educational neuroscience, working in the line of
> > >> sociocultural
> > >> >> >> >> theory.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Ulvi
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > --
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------
> > >> >> >> >> >> > *Andy Blunden*
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
> > >> >> >> >> >> > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<
> > >> >> >> >> >> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> *Associate Professor
> Social Foundations of Education
> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
> Georgia Southern University
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>
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> midwife.*
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- [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
  - From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
  - From: Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
  - From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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- Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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