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Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
On 24 July 2013 16:23, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Ulvi,
>
> Any work you recommend for beginner's and or a must have/read in the
> library?
>
> I am trying to get a broader sense of human development using Vygotsky
> as core and searching for recent readings in different fields like
> Philosophy (Ilyenkov) and History (People's history of the world by
> Chris Harman), But still lacking a clue on "phylogeny" and
> neuroscience.
>
Wertsch, Vygotsky and the formation of mind -- genetic domains.
Waddington, Genetic Assimilation.
Batson, genetic/ecological processes.
The recent documents from Luria cover some "basics" which are typically
missed in this line of research. Luria's research is predominantly
functional (of a v. high calibre). It seems to be dialectic in an Engels
kind of way. But the functional explanations stand up for themselves.
Best,
Huw
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> Wagner
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> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As far as I know, there is a strong neuroscience in Russia in the line of
> > Alexander Romanovitch's work, Homskaya and his many other students
> > continued his work a lot.
> > Ulvi
> >
> > 2013/7/24 Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Hello Huw,
> >>
> >> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our research
> >> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our research
> >> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from 1930...
> >> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year (if I
> >> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between
> >> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about
> >> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian
> >> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? And
> >> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following
> >> these guidelines?
> >>
> >> Wagner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello Larry,
> >> >>
> >> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things point out
> >> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in 1930
> >> >> (if my memory is not wrong)
> >> >>
> >> >> Wagner
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105
> >> >
> >> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept of
> >> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid
> >> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex
> >> > relationships that exist."
> >> >
> >> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most
> difficult
> >> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."
> >> >
> >> > Huw
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Ulvi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Within the concept *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero change.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose central
> >> conceptual
> >> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold or to
> model.*
> >> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and *theory* and
> >> >> *neural*
> >> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as change,
> >> >> > transformation and metamorphosis.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including Vygotsky
> and
> >> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.
> >> >> > If interested I could say more.
> >> >> > Larry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, Mind,
> Brain
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Education.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He is described as:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian theories in
> a
> >> >> number
> >> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive
> change.
> >> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation of
> >> >> information
> >> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the
> >> environmental
> >> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of
> development.
> >> To
> >> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions from
> Lev
> >> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12
> >> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new findings in
> the
> >> >> field
> >> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of
> >> education.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ulvi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on this
> list
> >> can
> >> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.
> >> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on
> neuroscience,
> >> but
> >> >> in:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Barsalou, L. W. (1992) “Cognitive Psychology. An Overview for
> >> >> Cognitive
> >> >> >> > Scientists,” Hillsdale NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > where he has a chapter on education, he characterises education
> as:
> >> >> >> > “teachers provide information that students incorporate into
> >> existing
> >> >> >> > knowledge” - in other words, not only does he use "folk
> >> psychology" in
> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> > grasp of the subtlties of education, but he seems to be unaware
> >> that
> >> >> this
> >> >> >> > antiquated "theory" of teaching and learning has been subject to
> >> any
> >> >> >> > critique over the past 100 years. A classic illustration of the
> >> >> problem
> >> >> >> > that Greg has been raising.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Andy
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ulvi İçil wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I would like to know some outstanding scholar names in the
> field
> >> of
> >> >> >> >> educational neuroscience, working in the line of sociocultural
> >> >> theory.
> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> >> >> Ulvi
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> >> >> >> > ------------
> >> >> >> > *Andy Blunden*
> >> >> >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> >> >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
> >> >> >> > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<
> >> >> >> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
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