Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren

[Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu>]

I know the MSOC relies heavily on a Latourian understanding of non-human
actors.  When an artist says that the medium in which she works is alive
and speaks to her, most of us have no trouble granting the *artist* this
use of language.  Artists are quirky like that.  But the compelling idea
I'm hearing here from MSOC, and Latour, and Vygotsky, is that for mediation
to be an effectual process in interaction it *must* be that we are all
artists in tuning into and hearing the voices of non-human actants.

I've recently been using five-toed shoes with very thin soles, through
which I can feel the ground much more delicately than before.  So now I
tend to walk off the beaten path and off the sidewalk, because it's very
nice to feel the textured ground below my feet.  The problem is that this
is creating tension with my friends when we go on walks together --I see
them look a bit perplexed and get a bit annoyed when I start crossing a
patch of woods instead of staying on the straight and narrow of the
sidewalk.  Wrapped in thick shoes, they slip and slide, loose their footing
and find it hard to save face --so they get mad at me.

But it's not my fault, since the ground speaks differently to me now.

Ivan

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greg, the "how so" that considers micro-interaction may have an
> *as-structure" or ventriloquation of language as metaphoricity.
>
> In the foreword to the book, [pageXV] the author states,
>
> Attention shifts from speech to *figures* of speech. Then an even stranger
> thing happens: The very notion of figures of speech reverses itself and
> becomes *literal*: we are being acted upon by these invisible entities that
> *haunt* us and populate (or even crowd) the interaction.  At this point,
> ventriloquism is inverted: we, the human subjects are the *dummies* toward
> which other entities are projecting their real voices AS IF they were
> coming from us. All the studies of metaphor, of story telling, or staging
> arguments are put upside down. We are spoken or silenced by others, by
> *aliens* toward which we should direct our attention IF we want to
> UNDERSTAND what makes us act or speak"
>
> Greg, this description of the sequence FROM  figures of speech TO the
> literal as a movement or process  *AS IF* the voices [or texts] were coming
> from us, points to Gadamer's notion: *fusion* of horizons.  Language *as*
> fusion [language as metaphoricity or as-structure].
> THIS process BECOMES literal as a dialogical relational process.
> When we are spoken or silenced by *aliens* or alterity we are put into
> question and OPENED. How we are opened by the invisible entities that haunt
> us and populate our interactions becomes a matter of interpretation which
> may lead to genuine understanding.
>
> Larry
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > don't know about ventriloquation/dual stimulation (sounds promising).
> > Rather I'm seeing connections to a processual/relational ontology in
> which
> > the medium (communication) constitutes the so-called "things" of the
> world.
> > (cf. Korzybski, Abbott, and Packer), with an answer to "how so" that
> > considers micro-interaction. Very appealing (to me).
> > -greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:35 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I wonder if ventriloquation is related in any way to the notion of dual
> > > stimulation?
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greg, here is a further description of the book. It seems to be the
> > book
> > > > is putting into question a similar theme to Gadamer who suggests
> > > effective
> > > > history has its own agency [living text] and the *fusion* of
> > > understandings
> > > > modify [expand] BOTH horizons.  The text has its own agency.
> > > > Not sure if Gadamer is included in this book but the theme seems
> > > > fascinating [and a way to understand organizations]
> > > > The cost of the book is prohibitive but the theme is fascinating.
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > > FROM THE PUBLISHER
> > > >
> > > > What happens when people communicate or dialogue with each other?
> This
> > is
> > > > the daunting question that this book proposes to address by starting
> > > from a
> > > > controversial hypothesis: What if human interactants were not the
> only
> > > ones
> > > > to be considered, paraphrasing Austin (1962), as 'doing things with
> > > words'?
> > > > That is, what if other 'things' could also be granted the status of
> > > agents
> > > > in a dialogical situation? "Action and Agency in Dialogue: Passion,
> > > > Incarnation, and Ventriloquism" proposes to explore this unique
> > > hypothesis
> > > > by mobilizing metaphorically the notion of ventriloquism. According
> to
> > > this
> > > > ventriloqual perspective, interactions are never purely local, but
> > > > dislocal, that is, they constantly mobilize figures (collectives,
> > > > principles, values, emotions, etc.) that incarnate themselves in
> > people's
> > > > discussions. This highly original book, which develops the
> analytical,
> > > > practical and ethical dimensions of such a theoretical positioning,
> may
> > > be
> > > > of interest to communication scholars, linguists, sociologists,
> > > > conversation analysts, management and organizational scholars, as
> well
> > as
> > > > philosophers interested in language, action and ethics.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson <
> > greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal
> > School
> > > > of
> > > > > Organizational Communication?
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue
> asks:
> > > > > "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be
> considered,
> > > > > paraphrasing Austin (1962), as “doing things with words”? That is,
> > what
> > > > if
> > > > > other “things” could also be granted the status of agents in a
> > > dialogical
> > > > > situation?"
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as:
> > > > > "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations,
> > > meaning
> > > > > that the latter emerge from and are maintained by communication
> > > > processes."
> > > > >
> > > > > Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought,
> > > > articulate
> > > > > well with recent XMCA conversations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone have any insight?
> > > > > Perhaps a recommendation?
> > > > > -greg
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> > > > > Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar
> > > > > Laboratory of Comparative Human Cognition
> > > > > Department of Communication
> > > > > University of California, San Diego
> > > > > http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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