Larry and those interested in these temporality issues (which I have been relating back to the statement of "individualist ontology" from the Vasiliuk pages Andy posted). Local constraints require either that I not respond or respond inadequately. Choosing the latter path, I answer inadequately by posting a paper on the topic of imagination. I believe it is relevant and it is all I have to hand on the topic at present. mike On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike > I agree this is probably tapping into the same processes. > You mentioned that taking this perspective seriously has repercussions for > how our understandings of development and also has implications for moral > issues. Mike in an earlier post you mentioned this topic on > temporality could open up a conversation on the implications of tapping > into the future oriented nature of perception? In what ways do you see > this shift in perspective having an impact on our understanding of living > in the world? > > Larry > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Larry-- I believe that what you are referring to potential experiencing is >> perhaps another way of tapping into the Zinchenko insistence on the >> "future >> oriented" nature of perception. >> >> mike >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Monica, thanks for this appreciation. Yes, at times I also feel like >> I'm >> > just chasing my tail. However with the insight that "trying to figure it >> > all out" is actually just good conversation and fellowship with both the >> > biologically living and our ancestors who are still "alive", there is a >> > shift in the quest for "knowing" that is experienced more like a form of >> > playing. >> > >> > I'm also grounded by having a grand daughter Elena, [now 17 months] >> who I >> > experience as dancing through life, moving between security needs and >> > exploratory needs, and I intuitively sense that the "dance" WE are >> > participating in is moving between security and exploration. When Elena >> > PAUSES in her explorations, and checks in with mom, dad, grandma, or >> > grandpa, and then is off again to engage with objects this PAUSE is >> > foundational for re-orienting to further POTENTIAL exploring with >> > fascination and delight. THE POTENTIAL EXPERIENCE expressed in this >> > relational dancing through life is palpable. >> > >> > I often wonder, when sharing this lived experience of vitality with >> Elena, >> > if there is a deeper truth about our human nature being expressed in >> this >> > dance of POTENTIAL existence? As the person and world become more >> > complex with further development can life remain playfull as it changes >> its >> > form and structure? As I'm "chasing my tail" can I delight in the chase >> > instead of always seeing it as a struggle? Monica, maybe it requires a >> > great deal of struggle and hard difficult work to return to this place >> of >> > playing. I don't know. >> > >> > Part of the experience of "chasing my tail" is the recognition that >> > participating in the dance with my grand daughter may not be >> participating >> > in "transforming" the world. My hesitant response is the practice of >> > dancing with my grand daughter is also developing knowlege which is >> > phronesis and THIS knowlege can be USED in the schools I work in and >> also >> > inform my conversations with others. These practices, which also USE >> > "techne" and "theory" [other forms of knowing] are informed by my >> > knowledge gained dancing with my grand daughter. >> > >> > Just musings on "chasing my tail" >> > >> > Larry >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM, monica.hansen < >> > monica.hansen@vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote: >> > >> > > Larry, >> > > I like this view or interpretation of writing because it allows for >> > signs, >> > > or representations of meaning, to be "real"--that quality being >> shared in >> > > the process of communicating--but not fixed. Knowledge or ideas have >> the >> > > same quality and should not be confused with actual structures in >> brain, >> > > memory, or mind. Structures exist, but they are responsible for the >> > > experience of making meaning or "knowing". I appreciate, as always, >> > Larry, >> > > how much you read and carry your references into this discourse. >> > > >> > > For some of us it is really interesting trying to figure it all out >> and >> > > using different approaches to do so, but you can see how for others >> it is >> > > just like a dog chasing its tail. >> > > >> > > >> > > Monica >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________________ >> > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on >> > behalf >> > > of Larry Purss [lpscholar2@gmail.com] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:50 AM >> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> > > Subject: [xmca] Further reflections on "temporality" and generativity >> > > >> > > Mike, and Haydi >> > > >> > > The question on activity and reflectivity and its relation to >> temporality >> > > is the question Mike posed. >> > > >> > > I didn't want to take the focus off Haydi's further elaboration of >> > > Vasilyk so I'm posting this thought on POTENTIAL EXISTENCE and signs. >> > from >> > > Eugene Halton [article is Pragmatic E-Pistols on Greg's post] Halton >> > > writes, >> > > >> > > Signs involve existence but are NOT reducible to existence, for their >> > being >> > > lies in their being interpreted. in a FUTURE interpretation: in >> > continuing >> > > semiosis. So that a SELF or a sign has a REALITY at any GIVEN MOMENT >> as a >> > > POTENTIAL EXISTENCE, in Peirce's terms" page 46. >> > > >> > > Potential existence, dialogically, as interpreted. This dialogical >> > > "interpretation" can be DISTINGUISHED and COME INTO EXISTENCE through >> > > "thinking" [reflecting] or through conversation [reflecting] with >> others >> > > [both forms can be encounters with alterity] Writing is another form >> of >> > > encountering dialogical alterity to express POTENTIAL existence. >> > > >> > > >> > > In other words systems and traditions and concepts [cultural >> > > historical reality] can be USED within the GIVEN MOMENT as signs >> within >> > > shared understanding LEADING TO POTENTIAL self-understanding ARISING >> > within >> > > shared understanding. >> > > >> > > Mike & Haydi , this is one possibility of the temporal sequence of the >> > > lived world expressed within humanness. >> > > >> > > Larry >> > > __________________________________________ >> > > _____ >> > > xmca mailing list >> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________ >> > > _____ >> > > xmca mailing list >> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > >> > __________________________________________ >> > _____ >> > xmca mailing list >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > >
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