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RE: [xmca] Further reflections on "temporality" and generativity

Vygotsky's psychology was very future oriented as well, at least as articulated in his volume on defectology. He was highly critical of Freud for anchoring his attention on past experiences rather than constructing positive social futures. LSV's interest in a cultural-historical approach, and his emphasis on human development, also made the past and present important as well, of course. p

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:24 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Further reflections on "temporality" and generativity

Larry-- I believe that what you are referring to potential experiencing is perhaps another way of tapping into the Zinchenko insistence on the "future oriented" nature of perception.

mike

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Monica, thanks for this appreciation.  Yes, at times I also feel like 
> I'm just chasing my tail. However with the insight that "trying to 
> figure it all out" is actually just good conversation and fellowship 
> with both the biologically living and our ancestors who are still 
> "alive", there is a shift in the quest for "knowing" that is 
> experienced more like a form of playing.
>
> I'm also grounded by having a grand daughter Elena, [now 17 months]  
> who I experience as dancing through life, moving between security 
> needs and exploratory needs, and I intuitively sense that the "dance" 
> WE are participating in is moving between security and exploration. 
> When Elena PAUSES in her explorations, and  checks in with mom, dad, 
> grandma, or grandpa, and then is off again to engage with objects this 
> PAUSE is foundational for re-orienting to further POTENTIAL exploring 
> with fascination and delight.  THE POTENTIAL EXPERIENCE expressed in 
> this relational dancing through life is palpable.
>
>  I often wonder, when sharing this lived experience of vitality with 
> Elena, if there is a deeper truth about our human nature being 
> expressed in this dance of  POTENTIAL existence? As the person and 
> world become more complex with further development can life remain 
> playfull as it changes its form and structure?  As I'm "chasing my 
> tail" can I delight in the chase instead of always seeing it as a 
> struggle?  Monica, maybe it requires a great deal of struggle and hard 
> difficult work to return to this place of playing.  I don't know.
>
> Part of the experience of "chasing my tail" is the recognition that 
> participating in the dance with my grand daughter may not be 
> participating in "transforming" the world.  My hesitant response is 
> the practice of dancing with my grand daughter is also developing 
> knowlege which is phronesis and THIS knowlege can be USED in the 
> schools I work in and also inform my conversations with others.  These 
> practices, which also USE "techne" and "theory" [other forms of 
> knowing] are  informed by my knowledge gained dancing with my grand daughter.
>
> Just musings on "chasing my tail"
>
> Larry
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM, monica.hansen < 
> monica.hansen@vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> > I like this view or interpretation of writing because it allows for
> signs,
> > or representations of meaning, to be "real"--that quality being 
> > shared in the process of communicating--but not fixed. Knowledge or 
> > ideas have the same quality and should not be confused with actual 
> > structures in brain, memory, or mind. Structures exist, but they are 
> > responsible for the experience of making meaning or "knowing". I 
> > appreciate, as always,
> Larry,
> > how much you read and carry your references into this discourse.
> >
> > For some of us it is really interesting trying to figure it all out 
> > and using different approaches to do so, but you can see how for 
> > others it is just like a dog chasing its tail.
> >
> >
> > Monica
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> behalf
> > of Larry Purss [lpscholar2@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:50 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [xmca] Further reflections on "temporality" and 
> > generativity
> >
> > Mike, and Haydi
> >
> > The question on activity and reflectivity and its relation to 
> > temporality is the question Mike posed.
> >
> >  I didn't want to take the focus off Haydi's further elaboration of 
> > Vasilyk so I'm posting this thought on POTENTIAL EXISTENCE and signs.
> from
> >  Eugene Halton [article is Pragmatic E-Pistols on Greg's post] 
> > Halton  writes,
> >
> > Signs involve existence but are NOT reducible to existence, for 
> > their
> being
> > lies in their being interpreted. in a FUTURE interpretation: in
> continuing
> > semiosis. So that a SELF or a sign has a REALITY at any GIVEN MOMENT 
> > as a POTENTIAL EXISTENCE, in Peirce's terms" page 46.
> >
> > Potential existence, dialogically, as interpreted.  This dialogical 
> > "interpretation" can be DISTINGUISHED and COME INTO EXISTENCE 
> > through "thinking" [reflecting] or through conversation [reflecting] 
> > with others [both forms can be encounters with alterity]  Writing is 
> > another form of encountering dialogical alterity to express POTENTIAL existence.
> >
> >
> > In other words systems and traditions and concepts [cultural 
> > historical reality] can be USED within the GIVEN MOMENT as signs 
> > within shared understanding LEADING TO POTENTIAL self-understanding 
> > ARISING
> within
> > shared understanding.
> >
> > Mike & Haydi , this is one possibility of the temporal sequence of 
> > the lived world expressed within humanness.
> >
> > Larry
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