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Re: [xmca] schools-without-computers-by-choice-and-conviction-that-they-dont-help-kids
On 27 October 2011 22:59, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking something more like "reality envelopes us." But this is just
> as troubling b.c. although it corrects some of the distastefulness of the
> metaphor of "penetration", it remains problematic for other reasons, most
> notably a particularly troubling dualism. An "envelope" of reality suggests
> that somewhere there is something outside of the envelope of reality. Is
> there really something else? non-reality. Don't think so.
>
> It's all just reality. Everywhere you go.
>
>
The parts of reality used to represent other parts are not necessarily
effective.
> Sorry that I don't have anything more productive to offer.
>
> Best of luck as you continue to think through this Huw.
> -greg
>
Thanks, Greg. I think I'm still on familiar ground here.
Huw
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu
> >wrote:
>
> > Maybe reality penetrates us :-)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On 27 October 2011 20:56, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 27 October 2011 20:47, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Huw,
> > > >> Is reality really something to be "penetrated."
> > > >> -greg
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > If you wish to get from one side of a city to another, there are
> finite
> > > > ways of doing so using conventional transport. If you wish to
> > articulate
> > > > that intention in terms of a particular route, you will have to
> > mentally
> > > > penetrate the fog of obstacles from A to B prior to an accurate
> > > > articulation. Does 'penetrating to reality' sound better? Hopefully
> > the
> > > > gist is clear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ... but that also the intention successfully acted upon is a change and
> > > thereby a form of penetrating reality.
> > >
> > > Linking with ideas around transitional phenomena (and the like).
> > >
> > > How does that sit, Greg?
> > >
> > > Huw
> > >
> > >
> > > > Huw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Huw Lloyd <
> > huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> > > >> >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 27 October 2011 19:17, Linda Polin <linda.polin@pepperdine.edu
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Programming is part of a domain of articulated intentionality,
> > of
> > > >> > > > penetrating reality. The issue with simplified environments
> is
> > > the
> > > >> > > minimal
> > > >> > > > penetration. One is limited to a scope that was designed for.
> > > The
> > > >> > > spirit
> > > >> > > > of programming goes beyond this to a deeper appreciation of
> > > >> processes.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I was trying to indicate the openness and range of the possible
> in
> > > >> > > Minecraft, which doesn't sacrifice the playfulness that I find
> > > lacking
> > > >> in
> > > >> > > straight up programming except for people who enjoy debugging. I
> > do
> > > >> find
> > > >> > it
> > > >> > > hard to grok programming as uniquely "penetrating reality,"
> > though.
> > > >> Could
> > > >> > > you explain that? Perhaps I need "articulated intentionality"
> > > unpacked
> > > >> as
> > > >> > > well since I see most goal driven construction efforts, e.g., to
> > > >> create a
> > > >> > > machine in Minecraft, as articulated and intentional.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > I can't say I recall writing 'uniquely', Linda.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Huw
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