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Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts)
Bill:
After viewing that attachment I knew there was a reason I had missed your
voice! Yes you are correct that Vera is very much interested in process,
perhaps she could add more. I appreciate that you bring mediation into
the discussion of how concepts relate to meaning making.
eric
From: Bill Blanton <blantonwe@comcast.net>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date: 04/26/2011 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts)
Sent by: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
He Eric, I have been away and recuperating for the last while. But
yesterday I began catching up on XMCA reading.The discussion of concept
has been like a dance, a punch, a jabin away, great footwork, and all the
actors are giving John Houstom more.
What moon mediates is not given by the moonl Moon assembles potential
meanings that are indexe d to experence. Moon meaning is also linkedto
nodes of meaning.So moon mediates a kind of limited concept. That it util
mood is enlistedto mediate the construction not earlier connected with it
and asociated with it. But Was it Vera that ask about process: Yes the
word moon and its meaning can be a tool that mediates the production of a
product.The product, along with other concepts and multimedia: Moon
River, Moon of Miami, Carolina Moon, a moon pie that not taste like
chocolate cake but tasts like a chocolatecovdered white creamy moon. Moon
beam, Blood on the,Moon (Robert Mitchum movie, Red, Moon-faced as in
taking large dososes of steroids, the planting moon, Moon of the
Misbegotten Harvest Moon, moon landing, man in the moom, natal moon.
Remember the "the moonies?"
I kept reading the messages I remembered an experience I had a product I
purchased, There is an area in the Nappa Valley with deep dry gravely soil
and jagged peaks standing over or rolling behind. On the valley floor and
up the slanting sides the rock are planted cabarnet to get the hot sun and
on the floor Chardanay is planted to get the mist from the Pacific and the
sun.The Winnery that plants the fruit, presses the juice, barrels it and
bottles it, pays workers, pays taxes, advertises the wine and ships it to
buyers is named Cuttler Bay Winnery.
Cuttler Bay Winery and its growth are located the Valley of Moon. The
Winery wanted to make a brand with its first production. I know what they
did. I don't know how it was organized. I don't know howthe plan emerged,
but I know who drew it out, I know it was not a blue suit wing-tipped
wearing bunch of systems people. It was the workers in the winery from the
top to bottom who did the creating, I know for a fact the brand was create
by the workers.I sucke up on wine and laughned as it was sketched outon
the scan, I watched it go through themany processess of discussion,etd to
produce it.
Now I am trying to recover participants, acftivities and outcomes,
division of labor and tools and otheradtivity interacting to produce the
brand.
I am sure the concept of moon and its intertwinnng meanins were to mediate
outcomes and to mediate different uses for tools. At the end a concept
that most everyday people had of the moon moved forward mediate the
nailing down of the brand. with other tools
Just as soon as I was strong enough to make a picture of it I did. It is a
product that invites you and your conceptual understandins of moon to have
a glass and talkl and laugh about it.
I have attached a picutre of the brand. The name of it is on the bottom
and reads: The Newest great Winery in the Valley of the Moon simply needs
exposure.
I have attached the picture and cropped the best I could. If had been more
mobile, I migh have make a better picture. Open it and let you concept of
moon take over. BB
Eric, you mentioned the risk of mooning. Let's see how many conceeptual
meanings of moon, can be found in piece of art production and apprecieate
the activity it surely motivates.
In the great wine country of Sonoma
. ----- Original Message -----
From: "ERIC RAMBERG" <ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:57:48 AM
Subject: Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts)
Huw:
Please explain to me how someone can "wield a concept"? I am not even
sure about the expression "grasp a concept". When there is a word that is
generalized to the extent of; hmmm....let's pick moon; it is not a
decisive tool of distinction but rather, as LSV points out, "word meaning
is the elementary cell that cannot be further analyzed. . . it is the
unity between thought and word" We cannot say that our earth has THE
moon. But in conversation we can state, "The moon is out and bright
tonight." I can provide a crowd with my moon but perhaps get arrested and
a smiling cherub of a child could display their moon of a face. IMHO
moon's word meaning is the concept present in these thoughts and words.
Not something weilded or grasped but perhaps active?
what do other's think? bill blanton or bill borowy out there?
eric
From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date: 04/20/2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts)
Sent by: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
On 20 April 2011 10:43, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> I appreciate all the thoughtful good will going into the attempts to
find
> common grounding and explore one's own thinking in this/these
> thread/threads.
>
> I fear i violated Tony's reasonable 2 cents rule because I, too, have
had
> too little time to write and the intermixing of pieces of threads and
thus
> added to the difficulties.
>
> I believe that Andy identified one problem when he pointed out that Huw,
> coming from a somewhat different (and relevant!) tradition(s) introduced
> concepts such as activity as he understood them from, say, Maturana or
> Bateson. So, for example, he pointed to Jim Wertsch's *Mind as Action*
as a
> source for explication of the concept of activity using the pole
vaulting
> example.
Kind of. I'm saying mediation and activity go together. In, for example,
the scheme Wertsch provides (p204, VATSFOM):
Activity -- Motive
Action -- Goal
Operation -- Conditions.
A good place, it seems, to locate the use of concepts (i.e. those things
gained during dual stimulation experiments) is in the regulation of
Action.
However, I'd say that the concept used influences the dynamics, as it can
change the situation.
Consider this simplified account. A man is queuing at a supermarket. He
only has 10 dollars (or some other currency), yet he needs the food to
feed
his family. He's got a number of items, all of which he needs, though
they
might tally up to more than 10 dollars. Let's say they add up to 9.99. If
he can confidently do the math and has done so, his whole experience will
be
different to the circumstances he'd be in if he found those kind of
conceptual operations difficult. He wields these concepts in the act of
doing the math (the concepts mediate this act). But these circumstances
will also mediate his activity as a whole as they influence his
understanding.
Huw
> But, Jim uses this example to talk about mediated action in
> context, his preferred unit of analysis at the time (at the end of
> *Vygotsky
> and the Social Formation of mind-*- which you can find whole on the
> internet
> but not download- he DOES discuss notions of activity following LSV).
>
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