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RE: [xmca] Honestly....
I just have to weigh in here as a mother. I have one child out of three who
was born with what I might call an insatiable exploratory drive. I did read
to her before she was born, probably more than she should have had a right
to hear, but I don't necessarily think this is what caused her to be the way
she is (as if there could be one cause). I did similar things with the
others. Anyone who has known my daughter from birth would not dare utter a
statement that children are born with nothing. On the other hand, in working
very closely with many babies and toddlers throughout my career, I would say
there are those that can resemble a "blank slate". Mild mannered, alert,
open, but not assertively self-indulgent, not outwardly social. I'm going to
second Rod, here and say culturation is a factor even before birth, but
genes do have something to do with what and how long certain characteristics
and behaviors take to develop. I also want to point out that development is
not static and it is very difficult to isolate a particular moment when a
person begins to have personality, unless we want to go toward the theory of
the soul attaches at birth (also very difficult to prove empirically).
My views on theories of development have certainly been tested by my
experience with certain individuals. I can't help but wonder what my beliefs
about development might have been if I had been given my first and most
intimate research opportunity with a different child who had less of a
personality from the very beginning. It makes me wonder what type of babies
some of those theorists were actually involved with ;).
Monica
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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Rod Parker-Rees
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:09 AM
To: ablunden@mira.net; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: RE: [xmca] Honestly....
Andy - as to what children are born with - what of the enculturation that
proceeds before birth? In the last months of pregnancy the foetus is
literally immersed in the life of its mother, absorbing rhythms of movement,
speech, waking and sleeping, even feeding and drinking. In 'the West', and
fairly recently, we have exaggerated the identification of the moment of
birth with the separation of the 'individual' child from the mother but at
other times and still in other places this transition is much slower as the
newborn baby continues to spend much of its time held close to its mother.
Do we have any studies on the early development of deaf blind children who
are born into this world of touch and contact?
It may be that there is a developmental point when we have absolutely
nothing but I think it is difficult to argue that this is true of the
newborn child. Of course if children are isolated from the person with whom
they have developed some form of proto-familiarity they are less likely to
be able to continue to develop their ability to engage actively with their
environment but this does not mean that they had nothing to develop!
All the best,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Andy Blunden
Sent: 27 April 2010 04:31
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Honestly....
Martin, have a look at this book, around p 147-8 and around p 238. The
claim is that human children are not born with any exploratory drive; even
this has to be "trained." Human beings certainly have a propensity towards
collaboration, joint attention and so on, but these have to be drawn out and
trained, or we have absolutely nothing.
Andy
Martin Packer wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Andy Blunden wrote:
>
>> even the tendency to engage in interaction is acquired only because other
human beings around the child "summon" the child to interaction.
>
> Andy, I wouldn't say this statement is incorrect, but I don't think it is
the whole story. Here is the abstract of a new paper:
>
> Martin
>
> Human Nature: A Comparative Overview
> Hogh-Olesen, Henrik
> Journal of Cognition and Culture (ISSN: 1567-7095); Volume 10, No. 1-2,
pp. 59-84(26); April 2010
>
> Abstract:
> The differences and similarities between human and non-human animals are
constantly up for discussion and an overview is needed. Four central fields
of behaviour related to (1) complex symbolic activities, (2) tool making and
tool use, (3) culture and social transmission and (4) sociality and
morality, are surveyed and comparatively analysed to identify particular
human characteristics. Data from a broad range of sciences are brought
together to introduce light and shade into the picture. The differences
found inside field four are especially striking. Humans are "ultra-social".
Evolution seems to have favoured a more collaborative kind of sociality in
our species, and features like other-regarding preferences, large scale
cooperation with non-kin, and strangers as well as third-party sanctions,
appear to be derived properties of humans that have evolved after Homo and
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