Re: [xmca] Honestly....

[Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>]

Eric, I think it quite possible to hold at the same time 
different positions on intersubjectivity and on the question 
of innate/acquired. There is no doubt that there are social 
animals whose sociality is innate and who can therefore 
acquire new skills socially. But I believe CHAT is a current 
of thought which holds that becoming human is possible only 
through interaction with other people using culturally 
acquired artefacts (i.e., intersubjectivity plus artefacts), 
but even the tendency to engage in interaction is acquired 
only because other human beings around the child "summon" 
the child to interaction. There is no innate drive to 
sociality in human beings. A. I. Meshcheryakov's book is 
definitive on this question I believe.
Does that answer your question, Eric? I wasn't sure I got 
your meaning exactly.
Andy

ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:
> ....didn't realize equating Piaget with intersubjectivity would create a 
> conflaguration of misunderstanding.
> Am I incorrect in my understanding of intersubjectivity?  I believe it to 
> be based on innate abilities rather than appropriated skills.  Perhaps 
> Bahktin did not write on this, I must admit I am shallow in my 
> understanding of Bahktin.
> Initially in my study of LSV and the CHAT tradition I was a person who 
> prioritized innate abilities but as I have studied and practiced teaching 
> I have come to  realize that being human IS developed via interactions and 
> attachments.  Biological genetics must play into it but I have a hard time 
> believing that intersubjectivity is biological in nature.
> Am I talking in circles or drowing in misunderstanding?
>
> eric
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