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Re: [xmca] intersubjectivity = Piaget, mentalisation = LSV
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- From: Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca>
- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:26:53 -0700
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Eric
My question is really partly my process of reflection on these topics as I attempt to development more coherence on these topics.
In that spriit of inquiry the place of "attachment" in becoming human is for me a central preoccupation.
When Valsinger mentions goal directed activity I'm wondering if one of the basic central goals around which becoming human PIVOTS is the goal of ENGAGEMENT [recognition and response]
It seems to me that "attachment" theory is centrally about the tension and movement of withdrawal and engagement.. This movement is goal directed and motivating.
At a moral level of discourse how do we create/construct institutional contexts where we facilitate more engagement and less withdrawal. I believe what is required are more symmetrical relational patterns of participation.
Eric I was really using your comments as an opportunity to continue to muse on this theme.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:06 am
Subject: Re: [xmca] intersubjectivity = Piaget, mentalisation = LSV
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Larry:
>
> You misunderstood me. Fogady et al state in their artilcle
> that infants
> develop (not have) understandings of emotions based upon their
> attachment
> to caregivers. Piaget would believe that emotions are
> innate. I agree
> with Fogady and believe emotions to develop within the infant
> based upon
> their interactions with caregivers. I apologize for any
> miscommunication.
> I wrote the post quickly (as I usually do) and perhaps it
> is easily
> misinterpreted.
>
> My understanding of intersubjectivitly theory is that it
> preconceives
> humans with the innate ability of empathy whereas mentalization
> theory
> summizes that empathy is a developed "skill" via attachment with
> cargivers. ala Valsiner I would go so far as to say that
> this development
> occurs in a goal directed activity (i.e. feeding, playing peek-a-
> boo, etc)
>
> eric
>
>
>
>
> Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca>
> Sent by: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> 04/22/2010 09:21 AM
> Please respond to "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> cc:
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> Subject: Re: [xmca]
> intersubjectivity = Piaget, mentalisation = LSV
>
>
> Eric
> You mention infants HAVE EMOTIONS based upon attachment.
> You also mention intersubjectivity is the process of seeing
> other persons
> point of view.
>
> I want to open dialogue and think out loud as I RESPOND.
> When we say that infants HAVE emotions, [subjective
> phenomenology] I
> struggle with the notion of emotions as HAVING A RELATIONSHIP
> that moves
> us in a process of recognition and response. This movement or e-
> motion
> emphasizes SYMMETRICAL ENGAGEMENT through ATTUNEMENT.
>
> Intersubjectivity theory can also be understood NOT as SEEING
> the other
> person's point of view [theory of mind] but rather as attunement
> and
> engagement [PERCEIVED and EXPERIENCED communication BETWEEN self
> and other
>
> Larry
>
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