Re: [xmca] "Culture of fear".

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

the addition of vocal and deliberate help a lot. thanks
mike

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com>wrote:

> Of course, stomach rumbling reflect stomach conditions. We don't rumble
> deliberately or to express emotion. That you would ask that question is
> perplexing. The vocal sounds we are able to deliberately produce,
> (phonemes), are what we use to refer to things. ....   AND these vocal
> sounds resonate so as to generate emotional reactions. These emotional
> reactions/experiences, inform we humans of the supposed effects of what we
> use them to name.
>
> Joseph Gilbert
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 1:32 PM, mike cole wrote:
>
>  Gilbert -- I assume the "Our" you start with is a statement about homo
>> sapiens sapiens?
>>
>> I am uncertain of the temporal sequence in your account of language. My
>> stomach grumbles, a bodily sound. Do I use this sound to represent
>> something
>> outside of myself? How i react to something presumably is conditional on
>> what I am doing and where i am but hard to see that in your account.
>>
>> The part about a fearful environment of evolutionary adaptation certainly
>> seems plausible....... and for most of humanity a lot of the time, remains
>> true to this day.
>> mike
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Our culture is based upon a fearful world view. It was instituted with
>>> the
>>> roots of human language. What were the living conditions for humans at
>>> the
>>> time that the roots of our current language were established?
>>>
>>>       It is very curious that we use sounds of our bodies to represent
>>> things outside of us. The sounds of our bodies represent goings-on of our
>>> bodies, physically and emotionally. We use the bodily sounds which come
>>> from
>>> the way we are affected by a thing to represent that thing It is the
>>> effect
>>> on us that is represented by our bodily sounds, not the thing. The thing
>>> is
>>> indirectly represented by our body sounds as a consequence of how we are
>>> affected by the thing.  There is the THING, the EFFECT and the BODY
>>> SOUND.
>>> Without the effect, there would be no sound. Without the sound, there
>>> would
>>> be no word. We cannot take our reactions to things out of the picture of
>>> how
>>> language works and expect to understand it. Language is primarily all
>>> about
>>> how we react to things. It conveys how we react to each other. The
>>> how-we-react about any particular thing is the what-that-thing-means.
>>> What a
>>> thing means can only come from our experience with it and we experience
>>> our
>>> reaction.
>>>
>>>               Joseph Gilbert
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