Re: [xmca] "Culture of fear".

[Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com>]

Of course, stomach rumbling reflect stomach conditions. We don't  
rumble deliberately or to express emotion. That you would ask that  
question is perplexing. The vocal sounds we are able to deliberately  
produce, (phonemes), are what we use to refer to things. ....   AND  
these vocal sounds resonate so as to generate emotional reactions.  
These emotional reactions/experiences, inform we humans of the  
supposed effects of what we use them to name.

Joseph Gilbert


On Jan 24, 2010, at 1:32 PM, mike cole wrote:

> Gilbert -- I assume the "Our" you start with is a statement about homo
> sapiens sapiens?
>
> I am uncertain of the temporal sequence in your account of  
> language. My
> stomach grumbles, a bodily sound. Do I use this sound to represent  
> something
> outside of myself? How i react to something presumably is  
> conditional on
> what I am doing and where i am but hard to see that in your account.
>
> The part about a fearful environment of evolutionary adaptation  
> certainly
> seems plausible....... and for most of humanity a lot of the time,  
> remains
> true to this day.
> mike
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Joseph Gilbert  
> <joeg4us@roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
> > Our culture is based upon a fearful world view. It was instituted  
> > with the
> > roots of human language. What were the living conditions for  
> > humans at the
> > time that the roots of our current language were established?
> >
> >        It is very curious that we use sounds of our bodies to  
> > represent
> > things outside of us. The sounds of our bodies represent goings-on  
> > of our
> > bodies, physically and emotionally. We use the bodily sounds which  
> > come from
> > the way we are affected by a thing to represent that thing It is  
> > the effect
> > on us that is represented by our bodily sounds, not the thing. The  
> > thing is
> > indirectly represented by our body sounds as a consequence of how  
> > we are
> > affected by the thing.  There is the THING, the EFFECT and the  
> > BODY SOUND.
> > Without the effect, there would be no sound. Without the sound,  
> > there would
> > be no word. We cannot take our reactions to things out of the  
> > picture of how
> > language works and expect to understand it. Language is primarily  
> > all about
> > how we react to things. It conveys how we react to each other. The
> > how-we-react about any particular thing is the what-that-thing- 
> > means. What a
> > thing means can only come from our experience with it and we  
> > experience our
> > reaction.
> >
> >                Joseph Gilbert
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