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Re: [xmca] Purposes and processes of education
- To: Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu>
- Subject: Re: [xmca] Purposes and processes of education
- From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:46:17 -0800
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I am unsure, tony.
Apprenticeships in pre-literate societies are interesting but are they
counter-example? There is arrangement of opportunities to observe and even
sequencing
of tasks, but descriptions of deliberate instruction are rare and there are
not 30/1 ratios (although there are forms of activity that pass as "exams.")
Scribner and Cole studied people who were literate without schools, but that
does not appear typical, and in terms of relationship of literacy and
schooling the direction "causal" relations.
I hope it is clear that I am not making claims here, but trying to explore
more deeply this bundle of issues.
mike
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, mike cole wrote:
>
> As part of background, "deliberate instruction" is one of the standing
>> differentia between chimps and humans. But, for example, Bruner claims
>> that
>> there is no evidence of deliberate instruction among "Kung San Bushmen"
>> (in
>> quotes because the names given to these people is highly disputed).
>>
>
> So, to further clarify the question: with this differentium, are the
> apprenticeship models reported by folks like Lave, Scribner, and Cole
> counted or not counted as "deliberate instruction"?
>
> And is learning among the Bushmen differentiate from such models?
>
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