Hi JenniferI've wanted to come over some time and say Hi and introduce myself as a fellow Vancouverite. I am aware that you work out at UBC because I googled Vygotsky and UBC and your name popped up. I read your resume and was excited to see your areas of research. I did my master's degree in Counselling Psychology at UBC with Richard Young. I also have taken courses with Lanney Kanevsky at SFU. As you can see by my response to Mabel I just posted what my interests are. I want to look at your article on social emotional learning as it is a big focus in the Vancouver School District and I anm worried about its focus on the individual as the locus of change and does not emphasize the "social turn"I live out at UBC so I hope we can meet in person. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Vadeboncoeur <vadebonc@interchange.ubc.ca> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:10 am Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>Mabel and Martin, A colleague and I are finishing up a paper looking at SEL programs and we've also used Martin's (2001) piece, The problem of transfer, and the sociocultural critique of schooling in the Journal of the Learning Sciences to think through ontology, the production of positions for identities, and the role of schooling in the process of "producing" certain kinds of "outcomes" for children and youth. The "purpose of schooling" is a central issue to (all of) our work, and one that surfaced at AERA several years ago as well. Nel Noddings work may help in a tangential way, because she is concerned as well with creating a school context that addresses the whole person-a person with cognitive, affective, social abilities and relationships. She has challenged folks like Cohen of the Center for Social and Emotional Education, recently, to think through changes in school climate on a broader and more relational level. Best - jennifer >Mabel, > >Yes, this is where LSV insists on the importance >of not confusing epistemological issues with >ontological ones. It's one of the more puzzling >passages in Crisis, and I suspect there are some >problems with the translation. (Is the indented >passage a quotation from Hoffding? Does anyone >have that text?) Nothing here about >methodological dualism, however. I don't think >this passage is the place to start to understand >better the distinction between epistemology and >ontology, if that is what you want to do. > >Martin > >You might consider taking a look here (if so tell me whether or not it helps): > >Packer, M. J., & Goicoechea, J. (2000). >Sociocultural and constructivist theories of >learning: Ontology, not just epistemology. >Educational Psychologist, 35(4), 227-241. > > >On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote: > >> >> Martin, >> >> >> >> Here it is (Andy sent it to me, I have it in >>hardcopy Vol 3 of Vygotsky's Collected Works, >>p. 310): >>http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367 >> >> >> Mabel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology >>> From: packer@duq.edu >>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:42:06 -0500 >>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> >>> Mabel, >>> >>> I confess I don't recognize the term >>>methodological dualism. Where are you finding >>>this? >>>> >>> Martin>>> >>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My question to Andy was if he could please >>>>give me some references about the >>>>difference-relation between ontological and >>>>methodological dualism? I was aimed to get >>>>some contemporary references to this >>>>discussion. I already had read Vygotsky. Does >>>>anyone has a suggestion, please? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Mabel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:56:07 -0800 >>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Hello Other Brain, how are you? >>>>> From: lchcmike@gmail.com >>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> >>>>> There was a discussion of this topic around >>>>>your MCA article a while back, >>>>> Michael. Mabel might be able to use some of >>>>>the specific techniques, which, >>>>> I recall, were not too demading in terms of >>>>>technology, to find a bridge to >>>>> what her advisors expect. >>>>> >>>>> Martin's sources are right on. But Mabel is >>>>>going to have to negotiate the >>>>> rocky >>>>> shoals of her own institutional situation, >>>>>and invoking XMCA is not likely >>>>> to win her a lot of friends!! >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM, >>>>>Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In the following piece, we show how >>>>>>emotion (as evidenced in prosody) is a >>>>>> resource for the coordination of social action. Michael > >>>>> >>>>>> Cult Stud of Sci Educ >>>>>> DOI 10.1007/s11422-009-9203-8 >>>>>> Solidarity and conflict: aligned and misaligned prosody >>>>>> as a transactional resource in intra- and intercultural >>>>>> communication involving power differences >>>>>> Wolff-Michael Roth Æ Kenneth Tobin >>>>>> >>>>>> here >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2009-11-14, at 6:55 AM, Martin Packer wrote: > >>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to ignore Andy's request to >>>>>>ignore his message to Mabel, because >>>>>> I'm sure Mabel is not the only person being told this sort of thing. The >>>>>> claim, I suppose, is that emotion is a >>>>>>subjective experience, and therefore >>>>>> something mental, internal, personal, >>>>>>private and so inaccessible to other >>>>>> people, including the researcher, who has access only to the external >>>>>> 'expression' of that emotion, on the face, in movements, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nonsense. How to argue against that view? Take a look at Joe de Rivera's >>>>>> work on emotions as interpersonal >>>>>>movements, towards or away from people on >>>>>> three interpersonal dimensions of >>>>>>intimacy, openness, and status. Read Hall >>>>>> and Cobey (1976) on emotion as transformation of the world. Read Mead's >>>>>> Mind, Self and Society where he challenges Darwin, insisting that "we >>>>>> cannot approach them [emotions] from the point of view of expressing a >>>>>> content in the mind of the individual" (p. >>>>>>17) because to do so presumes a >>>>>> dualism between consciousness and the biological organism.>>>>>> >>>>>> These are some resources that come >>>>>>immediately to my mind. What can others >>>>>> out there recommend? >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Andy Blunden wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You have good muses Mabel (Vygotsky and Marx), pity you >>>>>>> don't have better supervisors. Your approach, studying >>>>>>> microsituations as social, is Vygotsky's approach too, I >>>>>>> think, and excellent one, that is often, I fear, not well >>>>>>> understood. I am probably the last person to ask about that >>>>>>> kind of problem as I have a devil of a problem making myself >>>>>>> understood. Others will know the answers to your questions>>>>>>> better than me, too. But I will mention a few suggestions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mabel Encinas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My supervisors are questioning now, that I do not> study emotions, but>>>>>>>> "the expression of emotions". I know how >>>>>>>>to solidify my argument in this >>>>>>>> bit, but could you please give me some >>>>>>>>references of where should I read >>>>>>>> about the difference-relation between ontological and methodological >>>>>>>> dualism? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess you have already read Vygotsky's comments on >>>>>>> ontological vs methodological/epistemological dualism: >>>>>>> http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367>>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you use Google on this one, you will probably find a page >>>>>>> where I am being attacked by someone called Neville for >>>>>>> failing to make this distinction. I am far from sure of the >>>>>>> value of that exchange but you are welcome to read it. I >>>>>>> would not attempt a short summary of this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure what you are being accused of about emotions.>>>>>>> Martha Nussbaum is a Critical Theorist who writes good stuff >>>>>>> about emotions. And of course everyone reads Antonio >>>>>>> Damassio, with his distinction between feelings and >>>>>>> emotions. Certainly, emotions are only present in >>>>>>> consciousness thanks to their "interpretation" by culturally>>>>>>> acquired concepts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ""the expression of emotions" is a strange expression to me. >>>>>>> Are they using "emotions" to refer to forms of consciousness>>>>>>> which are "expressed" in high blood pressure, etc? Or are >>>>>>> they using "emotions" to refer to physiological conditions,>>>>>>> which are "expressed" in the character of behavior. I don't >>>>>>> understand. I am sure others will know. Sounds like a >>>>>>> template accusation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> xmca mailing list >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________>>>> Keep your friends updated-even when you're not signed in.>>>> >>>>http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see- it-in-action/social-network- basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010_______________________________________________ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >>_________________________________________________________________>> Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get>>your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail®. >> >>http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it- in-action/social-network- basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009_______________________________________________ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > >_______________________________________________ >xmca mailing list >xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca -- ______________________________ _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca_______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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