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Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
Hi Jennifer
I've wanted to come over some time and say Hi and introduce myself as a fellow Vancouverite. I am aware that you work out at UBC because I googled Vygotsky and UBC and your name popped up. I read your resume and was excited to see your areas of research. I did my master's degree in Counselling Psychology at UBC with Richard Young. I also have taken courses with Lanney Kanevsky at SFU. As you can see by my response to Mabel I just posted what my interests are.
I want to look at your article on social emotional learning as it is a big focus in the Vancouver School District and I anm worried about its focus on the individual as the locus of change and does not emphasize the "social turn"
I live out at UBC so I hope we can meet in person.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Vadeboncoeur <vadebonc@interchange.ubc.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:10 am
Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Mabel and Martin,
>
> A colleague and I are finishing up a paper
> looking at SEL programs and we've also used
> Martin's (2001) piece, The problem of transfer,
> and the sociocultural critique of schooling in
> the Journal of the Learning Sciences to think
> through ontology, the production of positions for
> identities, and the role of schooling in the
> process of "producing" certain kinds of
> "outcomes" for children and youth. The "purpose
> of schooling" is a central issue to (all of) our
> work, and one that surfaced at AERA several years
> ago as well.
>
> Nel Noddings work may help in a tangential way,
> because she is concerned as well with creating a
> school context that addresses the whole person-a
> person with cognitive, affective, social
> abilities and relationships. She has challenged
> folks like Cohen of the Center for Social and
> Emotional Education, recently, to think through
> changes in school climate on a broader and more
> relational level.
>
> Best - jennifer
>
>
>
>
> >Mabel,
> >
> >Yes, this is where LSV insists on the importance
> >of not confusing epistemological issues with
> >ontological ones. It's one of the more puzzling
> >passages in Crisis, and I suspect there are some
> >problems with the translation. (Is the indented
> >passage a quotation from Hoffding? Does anyone
> >have that text?) Nothing here about
> >methodological dualism, however. I don't think
> >this passage is the place to start to understand
> >better the distinction between epistemology and
> >ontology, if that is what you want to do.
> >
> >Martin
> >
> >You might consider taking a look here (if so tell me whether or
> not it helps):
> >
> >Packer, M. J., & Goicoechea, J. (2000).
> >Sociocultural and constructivist theories of
> >learning: Ontology, not just epistemology.
> >Educational Psychologist, 35(4), 227-241.
> >
> >
> >On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Martin,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here it is (Andy sent it to me, I have it in
> >>hardcopy Vol 3 of Vygotsky's Collected Works,
> >>p. 310):
> >>http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367
> >>
> >>
> >> Mabel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
> >>> From: packer@duq.edu
> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:42:06 -0500
> >>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>
> >>> Mabel,
> >>>
> >>> I confess I don't recognize the term
> >>>methodological dualism. Where are you finding
> >>>this?
> >>>
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My question to Andy was if he could please
> >>>>give me some references about the
> >>>>difference-relation between ontological and
> >>>>methodological dualism? I was aimed to get
> >>>>some contemporary references to this
> >>>>discussion. I already had read Vygotsky. Does
> >>>>anyone has a suggestion, please?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>> Mabel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:56:07 -0800
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Hello Other Brain, how are you?
> >>>>> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> >>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was a discussion of this topic around
> >>>>>your MCA article a while back,
> >>>>> Michael. Mabel might be able to use some of
> >>>>>the specific techniques, which,
> >>>>> I recall, were not too demading in terms of
> >>>>>technology, to find a bridge to
> >>>>> what her advisors expect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Martin's sources are right on. But Mabel is
> >>>>>going to have to negotiate the
> >>>>> rocky
> >>>>> shoals of her own institutional situation,
> >>>>>and invoking XMCA is not likely
> >>>>> to win her a lot of friends!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM,
> >>>>>Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In the following piece, we show how
> >>>>>>emotion (as evidenced in prosody) is a
> >>>>>> resource for the coordination of social action. Michael
> > >>>>>
> >>>>>> Cult Stud of Sci Educ
> >>>>>> DOI 10.1007/s11422-009-9203-8
> >>>>>> Solidarity and conflict: aligned and misaligned prosody
> >>>>>> as a transactional resource in intra- and intercultural
> >>>>>> communication involving power differences
> >>>>>> Wolff-Michael Roth Æ Kenneth Tobin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> here
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2009-11-14, at 6:55 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
> > >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm going to ignore Andy's request to
> >>>>>>ignore his message to Mabel, because
> >>>>>> I'm sure Mabel is not the only person being told
> this sort of thing. The
> >>>>>> claim, I suppose, is that emotion is a
> >>>>>>subjective experience, and therefore
> >>>>>> something mental, internal, personal,
> >>>>>>private and so inaccessible to other
> >>>>>> people, including the researcher, who has access
> only to the external
> >>>>>> 'expression' of that emotion, on the face, in
> movements, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nonsense. How to argue against that view? Take a
> look at Joe de Rivera's
> >>>>>> work on emotions as interpersonal
> >>>>>>movements, towards or away from people on
> >>>>>> three interpersonal dimensions of
> >>>>>>intimacy, openness, and status. Read Hall
> >>>>>> and Cobey (1976) on emotion as transformation of
> the world. Read Mead's
> >>>>>> Mind, Self and Society where he challenges Darwin,
> insisting that "we
> >>>>>> cannot approach them [emotions] from the point of
> view of expressing a
> >>>>>> content in the mind of the individual" (p.
> >>>>>>17) because to do so presumes a
> >>>>>> dualism between consciousness and the biological
> organism.>>>>>>
> >>>>>> These are some resources that come
> >>>>>>immediately to my mind. What can others
> >>>>>> out there recommend?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have good muses Mabel (Vygotsky and Marx), pity you
> >>>>>>> don't have better supervisors. Your approach, studying
> >>>>>>> microsituations as social, is Vygotsky's approach
> too, I
> >>>>>>> think, and excellent one, that is often, I fear,
> not well
> >>>>>>> understood. I am probably the last person to ask
> about that
> >>>>>>> kind of problem as I have a devil of a problem
> making myself
> >>>>>>> understood. Others will know the answers to your
> questions>>>>>>> better than me, too. But I will mention a
> few suggestions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mabel Encinas wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My supervisors are questioning now, that I do not
> study emotions, but
> >>>>>>>> "the expression of emotions". I know how
> >>>>>>>>to solidify my argument in this
> >>>>>>>> bit, but could you please give me some
> >>>>>>>>references of where should I read
> >>>>>>>> about the difference-relation between ontological
> and methodological
> >>>>>>>> dualism?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I guess you have already read Vygotsky's comments on
> >>>>>>> ontological vs methodological/epistemological dualism:
> >>>>>>>
> http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you use Google on this one, you will probably
> find a page
> >>>>>>> where I am being attacked by someone called
> Neville for
> >>>>>>> failing to make this distinction. I am far from
> sure of the
> >>>>>>> value of that exchange but you are welcome to read
> it. I
> >>>>>>> would not attempt a short summary of this issue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am not sure what you are being accused of about
> emotions.>>>>>>> Martha Nussbaum is a Critical Theorist
> who writes good stuff
> >>>>>>> about emotions. And of course everyone reads Antonio
> >>>>>>> Damassio, with his distinction between feelings and
> >>>>>>> emotions. Certainly, emotions are only present in
> >>>>>>> consciousness thanks to their "interpretation" by
> culturally>>>>>>> acquired concepts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ""the expression of emotions" is a strange
> expression to me.
> >>>>>>> Are they using "emotions" to refer to forms of
> consciousness>>>>>>> which are "expressed" in high blood
> pressure, etc? Or are
> >>>>>>> they using "emotions" to refer to physiological
> conditions,>>>>>>> which are "expressed" in the character
> of behavior. I don't
> >>>>>>> understand. I am sure others will know. Sounds
> like a
> >>>>>>> template accusation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>
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