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RE: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
Important references.
Thank you very much.
Achilles.
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:03:54 -0700
> Subject: Re: FW: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>
> many of these issues are discussed by Gordon Wells in "The role of dialogue
> in activity theory", Mind, Culture, and Activity, 9(1) . 2002.
>
> Among other things, gordon reports on earlier discussions on a precursor to
> XMCA that includes the ideas of Arne Raeithel and,.....
> our very own Jay Lemke! (Hence, retrievable from lchc.ucsd.edu using google
> search).
>
> May Jay could comment from his current perspective?
> mike
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you Tony, for both contributions, the reference, and reflection
> > about semiotics in Leontiev and Peirce. Very interesting and challenging.
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:54 -0400
> > > From: twhitson@UDel.Edu
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > CC: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
> > >
> > > The questions L is asking make me think of the linguistic anthropologist
> > > Michael Silverstein. (Anybody here have views of his work?) A relevant
> > > collection, including some Silverstein, but also Wertsch, Holzman, and
> > > others is SOCIAL AND FUNCTIONAL APROACHES TO LANGUAGE AND THOUGHT, edited
> > > by Maya Hickmann, Academic Press 1987. There's only one Leontyev ref in
> > > the index, which is in a string of citations incl. Vygotsky, Luria,
> > > Leontyev, Scribner & Cole, LCHC 1981, and Wertsch. That appears in a
> > > chapter by Elinor Ochs, with whom, if I'm not mistaken, David Kirshner
> > has
> > > had some acquaintance.
> > >
> > > L's conjecture (below) seems harmonious with Peirce, it seems to me,
> > > except that Peirce would start not with perception, but with "feeling,"
> > > which we can't really know directly because it is eclipsed by any
> > thinking
> > > about it. But Peirce was very much concerned with how more advanced signs
> > > spring from and depend on such things as feeling and perception. Again,
> > > though, the caution that he wrote as a logician, not as a psychologist or
> > > linguist.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Achilles Delari Junior wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, XMCA.
> > > >
> > > > In his letter to Vigotski, A. N. Leontiev wrote about a number of
> > theoretical
> > > > that he understood "fundamental". The fifth one touch the problem of
> > "sign".
> > > > He said, for instance that "my intuition here is that the sign is the
> > key!"
> > > > I think that is very important to recognize that Vygotsky's theory is
> > also
> > > > an activity theory, but is there some study that searchs Leontiev's
> > contributions
> > > > to "semiotic mediation" theory?
> > > >
> > > > "5. In addition to these it is essential to work out theoretical
> > questions,
> > > > directly guiding specific research.
> > > > It seems to me that among them belong: (a) The problem of F[unctional]
> > > > S[ystems]: “possible” (i.e., something like quantum)
> > I[nter]f[unctional]
> > > > relations and “possible” functions of functions (after all a system is
> > not a
> > > > spring salad, but something presupposing only the possible, i.e.,
> > certain
> > > > combinations); (b) Determination of i[nter]f[unctional] relations (the
> > conditions
> > > > under which they arise, the process of their birth, factors (=
> > determinants);
> > > > here an experiment in their artificial formation is necessary,
> > > > that is, a “dynamic argument” is needed, an experiment along the lines
> > of
> > > > “ingrowth”). Here, it is necessary to think through the place, the role
> > of
> > > > the sign; my belief, or more precisely, my intuition here is that the
> > sign
> > > > is the key! Roughly speaking, the first operations with quantities
> > involve
> > > > perception, further, the f[unctional] s[ystem] of perception, an
> > > > intell[ectual] operation. What has transformed the perc[eption] of
> > quantities—
> > > > this simple operation, into a higher intell[ectual] function? The
> > > > inclusion of a unique sign—the concept of numbers, that is, the sign, a
> > > > medium of intell[ect] (thought!). If this concept is real, then
> > perception,
> > > > operations with quantities using it specifically, is also included in a
> > > > syst[em] of conceptual thought. This is all very crude and the example
> > > > has not turned out successfully (it seems—there is no time to think!);
> > > > (c) The problem “intellect–will,” that is, the problem (figuring out
> > the
> > > > problem!) of intention (this is already a given!); and (d) personality
> > as a
> > > > syst[em] expressed in concr[ete] problems, that is, how it is
> > formulated."
> > > > (LEONTIEV, 2005, pp. 74-75)
> > > >
> > > > Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 43, no. 3,
> > > > May–June 2005, pp. 70–77.
> > > > © 2005 M.E. Sharpe, Inc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > Achilles
> > > >> From Brazil.
> > > >
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