Re: FW: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

many of these issues are discussed by Gordon Wells in "The role of dialogue
in activity theory", Mind, Culture, and Activity, 9(1) . 2002.

Among other things, gordon reports on earlier discussions on a precursor to
XMCA that includes the ideas of Arne Raeithel and,.....
our very own Jay Lemke! (Hence, retrievable from lchc.ucsd.edu using google
search).

May Jay could comment from his current perspective?
mike

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Thank you Tony, for both contributions, the reference, and reflection
> about semiotics in Leontiev and Peirce. Very interesting and challenging.
> Best wishes.
>
> > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:54 -0400
> > From: twhitson@UDel.Edu
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > CC: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
> >
> > The questions L is asking make me think of the linguistic anthropologist
> > Michael Silverstein. (Anybody here have views of his work?) A relevant
> > collection, including some Silverstein, but also Wertsch, Holzman, and
> > others is SOCIAL AND FUNCTIONAL APROACHES TO LANGUAGE AND THOUGHT, edited
> > by Maya Hickmann, Academic Press 1987. There's only one Leontyev ref in
> > the index, which is in a string of citations incl. Vygotsky, Luria,
> > Leontyev, Scribner & Cole, LCHC 1981, and Wertsch. That appears in a
> > chapter by Elinor Ochs, with whom, if I'm not mistaken, David Kirshner
> has
> > had some acquaintance.
> >
> > L's conjecture (below) seems harmonious with Peirce, it seems to me,
> > except that Peirce would start not with perception, but with "feeling,"
> > which we can't really know directly because it is eclipsed by any
> thinking
> > about it. But Peirce was very much concerned with how more advanced signs
> > spring from and depend on such things as feeling and perception. Again,
> > though, the caution that he wrote as a logician, not as a psychologist or
> > linguist.
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Achilles Delari Junior wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi, XMCA.
> > >
> > > In his letter to Vigotski, A. N. Leontiev wrote about a number of
> theoretical
> > > that he understood "fundamental". The fifth one touch the problem of
> "sign".
> > > He said, for instance that "my intuition here is that the sign is the
> key!"
> > > I think that is very important to recognize that Vygotsky's theory is
> also
> > > an activity theory, but is there some study that searchs Leontiev's
> contributions
> > > to "semiotic mediation" theory?
> > >
> > > "5. In addition to these it is essential to work out theoretical
> questions,
> > > directly guiding specific research.
> > > It seems to me that among them belong: (a) The problem of F[unctional]
> > > S[ystems]: “possible” (i.e., something like quantum)
> I[nter]f[unctional]
> > > relations and “possible” functions of functions (after all a system is
> not a
> > > spring salad, but something presupposing only the possible, i.e.,
> certain
> > > combinations); (b) Determination of i[nter]f[unctional] relations (the
> conditions
> > > under which they arise, the process of their birth, factors (=
> determinants);
> > > here an experiment in their artificial formation is necessary,
> > > that is, a “dynamic argument” is needed, an experiment along the lines
> of
> > > “ingrowth”). Here, it is necessary to think through the place, the role
> of
> > > the sign; my belief, or more precisely, my intuition here is that the
> sign
> > > is the key! Roughly speaking, the first operations with quantities
> involve
> > > perception, further, the f[unctional] s[ystem] of perception, an
> > > intell[ectual] operation. What has transformed the perc[eption] of
> quantities—
> > > this simple operation, into a higher intell[ectual] function? The
> > > inclusion of a unique sign—the concept of numbers, that is, the sign, a
> > > medium of intell[ect] (thought!). If this concept is real, then
> perception,
> > > operations with quantities using it specifically, is also included in a
> > > syst[em] of conceptual thought. This is all very crude and the example
> > > has not turned out successfully (it seems—there is no time to think!);
> > > (c) The problem “intellect–will,” that is, the problem (figuring out
> the
> > > problem!) of intention (this is already a given!); and (d) personality
> as a
> > > syst[em] expressed in concr[ete] problems, that is, how it is
> formulated."
> > > (LEONTIEV, 2005, pp. 74-75)
> > >
> > > Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 43, no. 3,
> > > May–June 2005, pp. 70–77.
> > > © 2005 M.E. Sharpe, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > > Achilles
> > >> From Brazil.
> > >
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