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Re: [xmca] Consciousness, Piaget



Tony, what does it mean (for Peirce) to be 'aware of signs AS signs'? The fact that I can talk about the traffic light breaking down, for example. Is that what makes humans uniquely semiotic?

Martin

On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tony Whitson wrote:

Mike, from a Peircean POV, any element of Thirdness is (as such) an element of ideality.

A response in the Stimulus-Response model might seem unmediated, in the im-mediate event. From a Peircean POV,a Pavlovian response to a stimulus is a response to that stimulum AS a sign of (for example) food. Or -- the salivation is a response to food through the mediation of the bell (or whatever) as a sign of food. (This way of thinking is a source for the reflex-arch paper by Peirce's famous student, Dewey.)

From a Peircean POV, the phototropic response of a plant to a light source
is likewise a sign-mediated response, with the plant responding TO THE AVAILABLE LIGHT-ENERGY through the mediation of the sensed light- location as a sign of the energy. This is possible only through the regularity (or ideality) of the congruence of light source location and energy availability.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, mike cole wrote:

Not sure what to make of the
phrase "there is ideality in any generalized sign (as in habituated
responses) since there are habituated responses which are not sign mediated.
mike
(ex rat psychologist)
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