Re: [xmca] searle on writing

One place to look is at the reprints on the lchc web page under people mike
cole.
The long article on culture and cognition from 2006/7 is there. Attached is
a paper the last
part of which has this sort of info in a different context. I'll try to get
it on the website.

mike

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Margaret Woodruff-Wieding <
mwieding@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Please give us the citations for your publications on this, although I know
> we should look them up for ourselves.
>
> Margaret
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of Mike Cole
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:21 PM
> To: Luiz Carlos Baptista
> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] searle on writing
>
> I know Caldas's work and more along the "literacy changes the brain" work.
> I have a little
> published on this if it is of interest.
>
> Searle is mostly going on his own prior views and Goody, Olson, etc. So my
> main concern
> is that if we get into this, we set aside some time and pick some key
> articles. I have a more
> or less recent article in the feitschrift for Goody that I could contribute
> that is more or less
> at level of analysis of interest generally on xmca.
>
> mike
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Luiz Carlos Baptista <
> lucabaptista@fcsh.unl.pt> wrote:
>
> > Well, I wouldn't mind at all. Regarding Searle, I think he should be more
> > careful when talking about "primitive" and "civilized" societies, there
> > might be involuntary value judgments lurking here. And of course not all
> > writing is the same: there are different writing systems; for instance,
> it
> > can be argued that alphabetic writing has a combinatorial power similar
> to
> > language (and, for that matter, mathematics).
> >
> > As regards memory and preservation, there is also the issue, raised by
> Jack
> > Goody, of writing "decontextualizing" utterances from concrete
> > interactional
> > settings and "recontextualizing" them in the frame of the writtent text.
> >
> > Goody has much more to say about it, as well as Lévi-Strauss in "The
> Savage
> > Mind" and many more authors such as McLuhan, Havelock, Ong, Olson, etc.
> > (and
> > of course you and Sylvia Scribner).
> >
> > There is a Portuguese neuroscientist, José Castro Caldas, whose team has
> > been working on the processing of written language in the brain. I will
> try
> > to find some of his papers and then, if you guys agree, I can send them
> to
> > the list.
> >
> > Best,
> > Luiz
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:42:30 -0700, Mike Cole wrote
> > > The topic of language, thought, writing, and development is
> > > certainly worth discussion. A lot of it. Are you volunteering to
> > > organize such a discussion, Luiz Carlos? mike
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luiz Carlos Baptista <
> > > lucabaptista@fcsh.unl.pt> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi. I found an interview with John Searle about language and writing,
> > it
> > > > might be interesting for discussion. It is here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.childrenofthecode.org/interviews/searle.htm
> > > >
> > > > **********
> > > > "The brain is a wonderful thing. Everybody should have one."
> > > >
> > > > Luiz Carlos Baptista
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
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