Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

OK,

Thanks Andy

Mark

On Jan 21, 20 Heisei, at 22:29, Andy Blunden wrote:

> Let's say you stick to 3, Mark
> Andy
> At 09:49 PM 21/01/2008 +0900, you wrote:
>> Hello Andy,
>>
>> I'd be happy to contribute to sections 1 and 3 in some way as 3 is my
>> own area - being a teacher and 1 is where I am heading with my
>> dissertation
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 20 Heisei, at 13:45, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>>> I'm struggling to get a handle on the concept of this collaborative
>>> paper. It seems to me that the reflections of the veterans of
>>> Kharkov is something that absolutely must be produced and may have a
>>> very wide interest, probably wider than "Education and Didactique."
>>> But we need a theme. "Learning and Development" is the front runner
>>> as a theme, meaning the distinction and interrelation between
>>> learning and development. Perhaps we need to establish some main
>>> headings and commission or seek authors for topics??
>>> 1. Concepts of Learning and Development: Hegel/Marx/Vygotsky.
>>> leading/peripheral, social situation, zpd, etc
>>> 2. Language learning and development: ??
>>> 3. Classroom methods: PPP, imitation, performance and collaboration,
>>> TAs, PBL, etc.
>>> 4. Learning in Context: In school/out of school, formal/informal,
>>> direct/mediated
>>> 5. Cross cultural: styles of learning, x-culture problems, ??
>>> I'm just guessing. But I think it would be useful to agree some
>>> broad headings and I think even a collaborative paper should demand
>>> that all contributions address the common theme, viz., the relation
>>> between learning and development.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> At 10:26 AM 20/01/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>>>> Elina-- Maybe we have more than one article here? I think a summary
>>>> of the
>>>> materials in the first paragraph of your would make a fantastic
>>>> contribution
>>>> to the journal and all of us.
>>>> But you can and should do that yourself of with Galina or.....
>>>>
>>>> All of the topics 1-3 you list seem plausible to me. And maybe
>>>> there are 3
>>>> different articles with different mixes of authors there?
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree,
>>>> there should
>>>> > be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and
>>>> development
>>>> > as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
>>>> > publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory
>>>> ( See
>>>> > Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning
>>>> Activity. *Journal
>>>> > of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina
>>>> tsukerman has a
>>>> > fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching
>>>> and
>>>> > learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact
>>>> translation of this
>>>> > book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book "
>>>> Types of
>>>> > generalizations in teaching and learning"
>>>> >
>>>> > In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
>>>> > addressing the claim of direct transfer of the abilities
>>>> developed in the
>>>> > course of quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other
>>>> spheres of life
>>>> > including moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social
>>>> > development, etc. We had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin,
>>>> Galina
>>>> > Tsukerman and others on this issue and there were numerous
>>>> observations that
>>>> > children educated in the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum)
>>>> were active
>>>> > learners, questioning the status quo, capable to work
>>>> collaboratively,
>>>> > comfortable with uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the
>>>> unknown areas of
>>>> > study, quite comfortably ascending from abstract to
>>>> concrete...:-) Daniil
>>>> > Elkonin in his scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation'
>>>> developed
>>>> > in the course of becoming a subject of leading activity
>>>> transforms the
>>>> > system of relationships among previously internalized
>>>> 'neoformations', and
>>>> > such transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of
>>>> theoretical
>>>> > thinking during the learning activity thansforms the
>>>> > previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific
>>>> studies
>>>> > addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
>>>> >
>>>> > Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of
>>>> learning
>>>> > here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore
>>>> development/learning;
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and
>>>> meanings in
>>>> > development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
>>>> > development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's
>>>> inspired
>>>> > teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New
>>>> York, Moscow,
>>>> > ...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long
>>>> learning. ( i
>>>> > was excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
>>>> > depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in
>>>> court...sorry,
>>>> > reflection on the side)
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/
>>>> critical
>>>> > analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and
>>>> learning (
>>>> > CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new
>>>> forms of
>>>> > co-being and their impact on the course of learning and
>>>> development...
>>>> >
>>>> > 5. other?
>>>> >
>>>> > These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly
>>>> suggest...use or
>>>> > discard if they are out of the context of your thinking...
>>>> > Elina
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
>>>> > > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > YES, we all need to know about it.
>>>> > > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its
>>>> claims is
>>>> > > kind of
>>>> > > odd to
>>>> > > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > BUT
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been
>>>> devoted to
>>>> > > VVD,
>>>> > > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of
>>>> Jean
>>>> > > Shmittau?
>>>> > > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of
>>>> signs?
>>>> > > mike
>>>> > >
>>>> > > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing
>>>> contributors!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
>>>> > > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
>>>> > > > ~ Em
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>> >> > > ] On
>>>> > > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
>>>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
>>>> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
>>>> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>>>> papers
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the
>>>> discussion
>>>> > > > with
>>>> > > > my question!
>>>> > > > Elina
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that
>>>> discussion? I've
>>>> > > been
>>>> > > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
>>>> > > > > ~ Em
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Emily Duvall
>>>> > > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
>>>> > > > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
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>>>> > > > > T 208 667 2588 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu |
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>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them
>>>> every day by
>>>> > > > storm.
>>>> > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>> >> > > ]
>>>> > > > On
>>>> > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
>>>> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
>>>> > > > > To: David Preiss
>>>> > > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>>>> papers
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective
>>>> article
>>>> > > > idea.
>>>> > > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on
>>>> development
>>>> > > between
>>>> > > > > San
>>>> > > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
>>>> > > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to
>>>> start to
>>>> > > > > connect.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > mike
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss < davidpreiss@uc.cl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What
>>>> might be
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David
>>>> Preiss
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not
>>>> as well
>>>> > > read
>>>> > > > as
>>>> > > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of
>>>> some
>>>> > > > assistance.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Best,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Mark_______________________________________________
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>>>> > Assistant Professor
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>>>> > Mercy College New Teacher Residency Program
>>>> > Mercy College
>>>> > 66 West 35th Street
>>>> > New York, NY 10001
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>>>> > I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end
>>>> of
>>>> > it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
>>>> > violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
>>>> > fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
>>>> > is free to be a violin string.
>>>> > Sir Rabindranath Tagore.
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