Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

Let's say you stick to 3, Mark
Andy
At 09:49 PM 21/01/2008 +0900, you wrote:
>Hello Andy,
>
>I'd be happy to contribute to sections 1 and 3 in some way as 3 is my
>own area - being a teacher and 1 is where I am heading with my
>dissertation
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>Mark
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>On Jan 21, 20 Heisei, at 13:45, Andy Blunden wrote:
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>>I'm struggling to get a handle on the concept of this collaborative
>>paper. It seems to me that the reflections of the veterans of
>>Kharkov is something that absolutely must be produced and may have a
>>very wide interest, probably wider than "Education and Didactique."
>>But we need a theme. "Learning and Development" is the front runner
>>as a theme, meaning the distinction and interrelation between
>>learning and development. Perhaps we need to establish some main
>>headings and commission or seek authors for topics??
>>1. Concepts of Learning and Development: Hegel/Marx/Vygotsky.
>>leading/peripheral, social situation, zpd, etc
>>2. Language learning and development: ??
>>3. Classroom methods: PPP, imitation, performance and collaboration,
>>TAs, PBL, etc.
>>4. Learning in Context: In school/out of school, formal/informal,
>>direct/mediated
>>5. Cross cultural: styles of learning, x-culture problems, ??
>>I'm just guessing. But I think it would be useful to agree some
>>broad headings and I think even a collaborative paper should demand
>>that all contributions address the common theme, viz., the relation
>>between learning and development.
>>
>>Andy
>>At 10:26 AM 20/01/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Elina-- Maybe we have more than one article here? I think a summary
>>>of the
>>>materials in the first paragraph of your would make a fantastic
>>>contribution
>>>to the journal and all of us.
>>>But you can and should do that yourself of with Galina or.....
>>>
>>>All of the topics 1-3 you list seem plausible to me. And maybe
>>>there are 3
>>>different articles with different mixes of authors there?
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> > I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree,
>>>there should
>>> > be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and
>>>development
>>> > as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
>>> > publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory
>>>( See
>>> > Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning
>>>Activity. *Journal
>>> > of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina
>>>tsukerman has a
>>> > fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching
>>>and
>>> > learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact
>>>translation of this
>>> > book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book "
>>>Types of
>>> > generalizations in teaching and learning"
>>> >
>>> > In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
>>> > addressing the claim of direct transfer of the abilities
>>>developed in the
>>> > course of quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other
>>>spheres of life
>>> > including moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social
>>> > development, etc. We had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin,
>>>Galina
>>> > Tsukerman and others on this issue and there were numerous
>>>observations that
>>> > children educated in the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum)
>>>were active
>>> > learners, questioning the status quo, capable to work
>>>collaboratively,
>>> > comfortable with uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the
>>>unknown areas of
>>> > study, quite comfortably ascending from abstract to
>>>concrete...:-) Daniil
>>> > Elkonin in his scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation'
>>>developed
>>> > in the course of becoming a subject of leading activity
>>>transforms the
>>> > system of relationships among previously internalized
>>>'neoformations', and
>>> > such transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of
>>>theoretical
>>> > thinking during the learning activity thansforms the
>>> > previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific
>>>studies
>>> > addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of
>>>learning
>>> > here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore
>>>development/learning;
>>> >
>>> > 1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and
>>>meanings in
>>> > development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
>>> > development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's
>>>inspired
>>> > teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New
>>>York, Moscow,
>>> > ...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
>>> >
>>> > 2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long
>>>learning. ( i
>>> > was excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
>>> > depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
>>> > reflection on the side)
>>> >
>>> > 3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/ critical
>>> > analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and
>>>learning (
>>> > CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
>>> >
>>> > 4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new
>>>forms of
>>> > co-being and their impact on the course of learning and
>>>development...
>>> >
>>> > 5. other?
>>> >
>>> > These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or
>>> > discard if they are out of the context of your thinking...
>>> > Elina
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
>>> > > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
>>> > >
>>> > > YES, we all need to know about it.
>>> > > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its
>>>claims is
>>> > > kind of
>>> > > odd to
>>> > > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
>>> > >
>>> > > BUT
>>> > >
>>> > > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been
>>>devoted to
>>> > > VVD,
>>> > > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of
>>>Jean
>>> > > Shmittau?
>>> > > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of
>>>signs?
>>> > > mike
>>> > >
>>> > > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
>>> > >
>>> > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
>>> > > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
>>> > > > ~ Em
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>>> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> >> > > ] On
>>> > > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
>>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
>>> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>>>papers
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the
>>>discussion
>>> > > > with
>>> > > > my question!
>>> > > > Elina
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that
>>>discussion? I've
>>> > > been
>>> > > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
>>> > > > > ~ Em
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Emily Duvall
>>> > > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
>>> > > > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
>>> > > > > 1000 W. Hubbard Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
>>> > > > > T 208 667 2588 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu |
>>> > > www.cda.uidaho.edu
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them
>>>every day by
>>> > > > storm.
>>> > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> >> > > ]
>>> > > > On
>>> > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
>>> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
>>> > > > > To: David Preiss
>>> > > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>>>papers
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective
>>>article
>>> > > > idea.
>>> > > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development
>>> > > between
>>> > > > > San
>>> > > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
>>> > > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to
>>>start to
>>> > > > > connect.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > mike
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss < davidpreiss@uc.cl>
>>>wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What
>>>might be
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David
>>>Preiss
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not
>>>as well
>>> > > read
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
>>> > > > assistance.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Best,
>>> > > > > >
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>>> > I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end of
>>> > it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
>>> > violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
>>> > fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
>>> > is free to be a violin string.
>>> > Sir Rabindranath Tagore.
>>> >
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