RE: [xmca] cognition bounded?

Dear Donald:

I completely agree with you.

Thanks for your great connection of mindfullness.
Off course Koans are another good way to experience the non-duality.

Juan Espinosa
jfespino.wordpress.com

Cunningham, Donald James escribió:
> I am clearly out of my depth here, but the notion of dialogue I was "thinking"
> about _is_ one of unity. Thinking is always "about" something, a connection is
> implied. That connection is the unity, the yin and yang, so to speak. They are
> transactional in Dewey's felicitous phrase. Dynamic. When I say we have to
> think together it suggests that the unity that results requires connections to
> make something unique. It cannot be a process of separates acting
> independently and somehow influencing one another.
>
> Of course I learned most of what I know about Zen from Robert Pirsig and
> connect it to motorcycle maintenance.
>
> Juan, I have only briefly explored meditation, but it seemed to me that the
> concept of mindfulness was exactly about experiencing these unities, these
> connections, seeing the world with fresh eyes.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:38 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>
> Yes but the essence of Zen is the non duality that you can feel in meditation
> states.
>
> Juan
> Paul Dillon escribió:
>> The classic Zen (or Chan) Buddhist dialogue is the koan. e.g,, Does a dog
>> have Buddha nature? or How much does mu weigh? The answers to these always
>> depend on a direct intuitive experience that cannot be rationally deduced.
>>
>> In that light an actvity theoretic koan occurred to me thinking about the
>> thread on "mind": Where are you when you're minding your own business?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Ana Marjanovic-Shane <ana@zmajcenter.org> wrote:
>> It is interesting that you connect Zen with dialogic thought!
>> Ana
>>
>> Cunningham, Donald James wrote:
>>> Not to get too Zen here, but if, as many argue, thinking is dialogical, we
>>> cannot think without another, real or imagined.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of Ana Marjanovic-Shane
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 PM
>>> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>
>>> With whom are we thinking?
>>> Ana
>>>
>>> Mike Cole wrote:
>>>
>>>> With what are we thinking, Don?
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 5, 2007 4:43 PM, Cunningham, Donald James
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Eugene, should your signature question be "What do we think?" instead of
>>>>> "What do you think?"? Or "What are we thinking with? [forgive the
>>>>> grammar!]?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Cunningham
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Eugene Matusov
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:46 AM
>>>>> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> Cc: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mike and everybody-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me add my 3 cents (dollar is going down ;-) for this discussion. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> it is better to use the verb "to mind" or "minding" than the noun "the
>>>>> mind"
>>>>> since we often refer to a process rather than to a thing. In general, I
>>>>> agree with Mike, of course. But let tell you an anecdote to illustrate
>>>>> the
>>>>> "distributed" (or discursive?) nature of the minding process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago, when I was leaving my work, I could not find my car in
>>>>> the
>>>>> university 4-store building parking garage. As my memory has been getting
>>>>> more and more mature ;-) every day, I knew that it would happen one day
>>>>> and
>>>>> that day came. While I was frustrating in my search running from one
>>>>> store
>>>>> of the parking garage to another, I realized that on the top of
>>>>> forgetting
>>>>> where I had parked my car, I forget to pick up a video camera from my lab
>>>>> for next day videotaped observation of Lego-Logo Robotics activities at
>>>>> the
>>>>> Latin-American Community Center. With even more frustration, I went back
>>>>> to
>>>>> my lab to pick up the camera. At the lab, I realized that I forgot to
>>>>> send
>>>>> a
>>>>> web announcement to my undergrad students about reading for upcoming
>>>>> class
>>>>> discussion. I sent the announcement and made some emails, and did some
>>>>> other
>>>>> work while I was in lab. When I finished, I realized that it took about 2
>>>>> hours. I came back to the parking garage (with the video camera this
>>>>> time)
>>>>> to resume the search of my car, the garage was almost empty, and I found
>>>>> my
>>>>> car very easily. I was thinking about my "strategy" of "waiting" until
>>>>> the
>>>>> garage became empty, "That was smart!" Now I am thinking, where was my
>>>>> mind?
>>>>> Did I have mind at all? Was it minding? Was it MY minding? Did I lose
>>>>> mind
>>>>> and then found? Does mind, like sh..., sometimes simply happen?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is "my mind" a historical and cultural form of discourse for me to
>>>>> notice/recognize certain things and use them in future (like in future
>>>>> when
>>>>> I lose my car in the UD parking garage I might stop frustrating and stop
>>>>> useless searching efforts and just go back to my office to work more
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> until cars will be gone from the garage)? Is "the mind" reification of
>>>>> this
>>>>> discourse?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eugene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Eugene Matusov, Ph.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor of Education
>>>>>
>>>>> School of Education
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Delaware
>>>>>
>>>>> Newark, DE 19716, USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> email: ematusov@udel.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> fax: 1-(302)-831-4110
>>>>>
>>>>> website: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> publications: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/vita/publications.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM
>>>>> To: Eugene Matusov
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Mike Cole
>>>>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 8:44 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>>>> Cc: Kevin Rocap >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This appears to be the responibility of Deleware and Louisiana. Eugene
>>>>> and
>>>>> David?
>>>>>
>>>>> My view? OF COURSE the mind is in the head.... but not only. If it were
>>>>> only
>>>>> in the head it would stay
>>>>> there and not kill people. Too damned good at killing people as it is!
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2007 8:16 PM, Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià >>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Rocap escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then who's minding the store? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An online paper from the authors is at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.udel.edu/Philosophy/papers/adams2007.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They said that "the mind is still in the head".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa C.
>>>>>>> jfespino@uc.cl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/4/07 11:20 AM, "Peter Smagorinsky" < smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Martin--always useful to see a contrary perspective. The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> descriptor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> says that the book:
>>>>>>>>> "Articulates and defends the "mark of the cognitive", a common sense
>>>>>>>>> theory
>>>>>>>>> used to distinguish between cognitive and non-cognitive processes"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I always wonder about "common sense" arguments, and the author's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> belief
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they are beyond culture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Smagorinsky
>>>>>>>>> The University of Georgia
>>>>>>>>> 125 Aderhold Hall
>>>>>>>>> Athens, GA 30602
>>>>>>>>> smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
>>>>>>>>> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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