RE: [xmca] cognition bounded?

Not to get too Zen here, but if, as many argue, thinking is dialogical, we cannot think without another, real or imagined.

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Ana Marjanovic-Shane
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 PM
To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?

With whom are we thinking?
Ana

Mike Cole wrote:
> With what are we thinking, Don?
> mike
>
> On Dec 5, 2007 4:43 PM, Cunningham, Donald James <cunningh@indiana.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Eugene, should your signature question be "What do we think?" instead of
>> "What do you think?"? Or "What are we thinking with? [forgive the grammar!]?
>>
>> Don Cunningham
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Eugene Matusov
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:46 AM
>> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
>> Cc: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> Subject: RE: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>
>> Dear Mike and everybody-
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me add my 3 cents (dollar is going down ;-) for this discussion. I
>> think
>> it is better to use the verb "to mind" or "minding" than the noun "the
>> mind"
>> since we often refer to a process rather than to a thing. In general, I
>> agree with Mike, of course. But let tell you an anecdote to illustrate the
>> "distributed" (or discursive?) nature of the minding process.
>>
>>
>>
>> A few days ago, when I was leaving my work, I could not find my car in the
>> university 4-store building parking garage. As my memory has been getting
>> more and more mature ;-) every day, I knew that it would happen one day
>> and
>> that day came. While I was frustrating in my search running from one
>> store
>> of the parking garage to another, I realized that on the top of forgetting
>> where I had parked my car, I forget to pick up a video camera from my lab
>> for next day videotaped observation of Lego-Logo Robotics activities at
>> the
>> Latin-American Community Center. With even more frustration, I went back
>> to
>> my lab to pick up the camera. At the lab, I realized that I forgot to send
>> a
>> web announcement to my undergrad students about reading for upcoming class
>> discussion. I sent the announcement and made some emails, and did some
>> other
>> work while I was in lab. When I finished, I realized that it took about 2
>> hours. I came back to the parking garage (with the video camera this time)
>> to resume the search of my car, the garage was almost empty, and I found
>> my
>> car very easily. I was thinking about my "strategy" of "waiting" until the
>> garage became empty, "That was smart!" Now I am thinking, where was my
>> mind?
>> Did I have mind at all? Was it minding? Was it MY minding? Did I lose mind
>> and then found? Does mind, like sh..., sometimes simply happen?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or is "my mind" a historical and cultural form of discourse for me to
>> notice/recognize certain things and use them in future (like in future
>> when
>> I lose my car in the UD parking garage I might stop frustrating and stop
>> useless searching efforts and just go back to my office to work more
>> waiting
>> until cars will be gone from the garage)? Is "the mind" reification of
>> this
>> discourse?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> Eugene Matusov, Ph.D.
>>
>> Professor of Education
>>
>> School of Education
>>
>> University of Delaware
>>
>> Newark, DE 19716, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> email: ematusov@udel.edu
>>
>> fax: 1-(302)-831-4110
>>
>> website: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu
>>
>> publications: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/vita/publications.htm
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM
>> To: Eugene Matusov
>> Subject: Fwd: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Cc: Kevin Rocap <Kevin.Rocap@liu.edu <mailto:Kevin.Rocap@liu.edu> >
>>
>>
>> This appears to be the responibility of Deleware and Louisiana. Eugene and
>> David?
>>
>> My view? OF COURSE the mind is in the head.... but not only. If it were
>> only
>> in the head it would stay
>> there and not kill people. Too damned good at killing people as it is!
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2007 8:16 PM, Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià <jfespino@uc.cl
>> <mailto:jfespino@uc.cl> > wrote:
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Kevin Rocap escribió:
>>
>>
>>> Then who's minding the store? ;-)
>>>
>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All:
>>>>
>>>> An online paper from the authors is at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.udel.edu/Philosophy/papers/adams2007.pdf
>>>>
>>>> They said that "the mind is still in the head".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan Felipe Espinosa C.
>>>> jfespino@uc.cl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/07 11:20 AM, "Peter Smagorinsky" < smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Martin--always useful to see a contrary perspective. The
>>>>>>
>> descriptor
>>
>>>>>> says that the book:
>>>>>> "Articulates and defends the "mark of the cognitive", a common sense
>>>>>> theory
>>>>>> used to distinguish between cognitive and non-cognitive processes"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always wonder about "common sense" arguments, and the author's
>>>>>>
>> belief
>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> they are beyond culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Smagorinsky
>>>>>> The University of Georgia
>>>>>> 125 Aderhold Hall
>>>>>> Athens, GA 30602
>>>>>> smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
>>>>>> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>>>>>>
>> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>
>>>>>> Behalf Of Martin Packer
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:56 AM
>>>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
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