Andy, I have a copy of Ilyenkov’s (1977) ‘The Concept of the Ideal’ from
Philosophy in the USSR: Problems in Dialectical Materialism Progress
Publishers. Unfortunately it is a marked copy but I could try to fax it to
you, or post it express. Peter Jones may have a better copy. Its about 24
pages long, 12 A4.
David Bakhurst’s (1997) piece ‘Meaning, Normativity and the Life of Mind’ in
Language and Communication, 17 (1), 33-51, is also very helpful in
explaining Ilyenkov's work on the Ideal. Jan
Jan Derry
www.edu.bham.ac.uk/SAT/Derry.html
>From: Andy Blunden <a.blunden@pb.unimelb.edu.au>
>Reply-To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: some refs
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:11:57 +1000
>
>Paul,
>
>I would be delighted to put up any Ilyenkov material at all I can get hold
>of. I still have 100 pages or so of his book on Positivism to scan, but
>that can wait. I have never seen this book on the concept of the Ideal.
>Ilyenkov is the most frequently commented on and appreciated author (apart
>from Hegel) that I have archived.
>
>The simple problem is - Ilyenkov is unavailable in Australia so far as I
>know. If I am going to put any more Ilyenkov up on the MIA site I need help
>in finding the appropriate texts.
>
>Andy
>
>PS: I would love to see the Leontyev text we are going to discuss on the
>MIA as well, Nate is the director of the Leontyev archive. I don't know
>what the copyright situation might be for it.
>
>
>
>At 12:26 23/08/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >mike,
> >
> >I'm looking into the feasibility of putting up the Bakhurst passages.
> >
> >The book is "Consciousness and Revolution in Soviet Philosophy: From the
> >Bolsheviks to Evald Ilyenkov". Cambridge University Press. 1991.
> >
> >Ch. 3 is devoted to a discussion of Vygotsky with attention to the
>question
> >of "internalization" (ZPD not really at issue here). The theme of the
>book
> >is Evald Ilyenkov's reworking of dialectical materialist theory with
>special
> >attention to "the problem of the ideal."
> >
> >A lot of Ilyenkov at http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/index.htm
>but
> >one of the works that Bakhurst cites frequently is "The Concept of the
> >Ideal" but I have been unable to locate it. Andy, any chance of getting
> >that up on the Ilyenkov page??
> >
> >Paul H. Dillon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Mike Cole <mcole@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:24 AM
> >Subject: some refs
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Paul-- Could you post a couple of key refs of works you are drawing
> >> on, and where possible, parts of things. I am thinking of Bakhurst
> >> on Vygotsky on units of anlaysis, for example. If its at all possible
> >> to scan key passages and post them to xmca, it would greatly broaden
> >> potential participation.
> >>
> >> Still waiting to hear from our Nordic neighbors.
> >> mike
> >>
> >
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