You wrote:
>I don't see a dialectics fit, Judy. When I look through the lens of
semiotic ecology, there is no 'struggling of opposing principles' but
rather a unity of people and things (natural and cultural, but all natural
when push comes to shove) as making up the universe, and inclusively, making
up our meaning of it. Heh.
Now THAT is interesting, Bill.
Going back to what I had said:
>
I don't think anyone would see the
>subjects in Rips' study as representative of some notion (let alone
>conceptual understanding) of learning. To my understanding of those you cite
>as "other" to materialist views, they'd all agree that to learn presupposes
>that the learner 'stop and think'; that the learner reject readily available
>notions; that the learner engage with a real (concrete) world.
This, I think, is true, from the eco-social point of view, or at least from
my point of view on it :) However, you're right that dialectics is not what
is viewed as the primary operational principle of ecological change/development.
On the other hand, insofar as the materialist view is human-eco-centric, one
could say that its subscribers don't follow through on the dialectical
"truth' that a dialectical understanding refuses closure on any putative
truth "out there" or even about us.
Human learning is not the same as ecosocial development -- our learning is
one element in an ecology that we do not (maybe can not) fully apprehend --
certainly an ecology that we can not possibly control.
From my little dot of embodied mind, it seems to me that we have to turn
science outward to the conditions that make it possible; we have to let go
the hubris underpinning the method; we have to make of what we know the
product of _genuine_ engagement with whatever is 'out there' -- including
others we don't agree with -- as Peter did in his paper (though I still see
a straw person there).
the science of the future will necessarily be a science of the particular,
demanding engagement with others
she projected sententiously (wishfully).
judy
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>If Alfred is tuned in, his thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Bill Barowy, Associate Professor
>Lesley College
>29 Everett Street, Cambridge, MA 02138-2790
>Phone: 617-349-8168 / Fax: 617-349-8169
>http://www.lesley.edu/faculty/wbarowy/Barowy.html
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>"One of life's quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart from yourself
> and watch yourself softly become the author of something beautiful."
>[Norman Maclean in "A river runs through it."]
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Judith Diamondstone (732) 932-7496 Ext. 352
Graduate School of Education
Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey
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New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1183
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